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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 08-15-2004 12:14 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmmm...this is s thread I hadn't read before. The reason I took a peek was because Mark G. was the last to post and I generally will read what he has to say....seeing his most recent post and then looking up a couple of messages...I see my name mentioned....hmmmm.

I see a new thread is to be started but I choose to respond on this one since it contains the instigating message...

As to those members Mark G. denotes (Brad, John P., Ray Derrick, me and Gordon)...it is interesting that those members do tend to get my attention more than others (depending on topic heading, of course).

However I do find it interesting that with all of them I've had my little, shall we say, spats.

With Brad....there is the ever Reel-to-reel vs. Changeover debates.

With John P. All you need is about 100 hours to kill and read our Cyan vs traditional applicated soundtracks.

With Ray Derrick...there hasn't really been any spats so I guess there is an exception to a rule though there was a minor disagreement on the use of Cat. 97 versus Buzz Track for accurate reverse scan reader alignment and also the Cat. 566 usage...again VERY minor...nothing compared to the endless threads on other topics.

With Gordy...well it is kinda like a comedian with a President...there is no end of material...I mean, for example...he takes most every opportunity to talk about some piece of SMART equipment...how can one just leave that alone? However it is just in fun.

With Mark G...there are numerous confrontation between us since many of his posts come down to the form of: "its the best and the only thing that should be used" or of the form: "it sucks and should never be used"...very little grey area.

Now with the above jabbing out of the way...each and every one above has earned my respect. When you see them post something, you can take it at face value. Their findings are what they are and not something merely dreamed up. I like to think the same comes from myself.

Two types of response posts I absolutely detest are:

A) I don't know anything about the subject but feel I have to write something so here let me type something that doesn't come from experience with your piece of equipment...I hope it helps...never mind it isn't what the original question asked for.

Sure this type of person means well but all they contribute in that situation is static and waste everyone's time with the thread.

B) I have limited experience with the subject matter so I'll steamroller them by dumping my entire knowledge (limited though it may be) in the hopes of answering the question or dazzeling them into thinking I know.

A typical (hypothetical) type of situation like this would be a question that says "How does format 43, 70mm 6-track magnetic with stereo surrounds, work?

The response will take the form of explaining how formats 04 (Dolby SVA)...perhaps SR, 70mm, maybe 35mm magnetic and often would actually not accurately describe how format 43 actually works...they would probably feel the need to talk about the history of the processors starting with the CP50 or so (whichever they have used) on up.

This sort of response will show up here on Film-tech and on rec.arts.movies.tech.

Information should be accurate and as concise as possible to get the information accross accurately. If you don't know, you don't know and don't need to muck up the thread with ignorance.

I think Mark's list is a bit limited and I'm sure upon reflection he indeed would add names to it but if you look at that list (take me off it and add Mark if you desire), you generally get good sound information from them that may very well add to your knowledge base. Gordy is probably the most likely to throw a quip in here or there but I think that is just an attempt to increase his post count and rarely are they long if not containing knowledge.

All questions are good...except those that do not provide reasonable details...like make/model of the euqipment and the events leading up to the problem...those that violate this common sense should go to Brad's paint can mixer since clearly something got stuck in your head between asking the question and typing it.

Steve

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Tim Reed
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 - posted 08-15-2004 12:18 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, not sure if I'd call it jealousy -- certainly envy -- but nonetheless, here's the short list (in no particular order):

I be jealous of:

John Pytlak
And he knows it. Let's face it, he's got the coolest job - and a technical Oscar®. Pretty much says it all.

Gordon McLeod
And he knows it. A fine engineer and walking knowledge base. Nice guy, too... he went out of his way to photocopy and send me a Hycandescent manual once, which I only expressed a desire to have, here on FT. I'll never forget that. There's no one I'd rather have service my booth than Gordon. I believe you can count on him to get the job done, and done right.

Dominic Case
This humble man is at the forefront of laboratory practices and technology, and the author of several books on the subject. No one knows it better, nor made conveying those intricate topics to readers easier. I admired him long before he became a forum member.

Brad Miller
Because he's Brad Miller - with a patent to prove it. And what a screening room! I would have his child for it.

Mark Gulbrandsen
For his exemplary skill in the machine shop and precision work. I've told him this many times, and he agrees. [Razz]

Scott Norwood
Because he's young, smart, and living a life I envy -- doing what he wants, when he wants to. And remaining single. If I could only retain half of the information that Scott can, I'd... well, probably have John Pytlak's job!

Joe Redifer
Because he likes videomaking. He's always quick to offer help in that area, too. He's a sharp wit, and always gets a laugh out of me. I respect that. Plus, Jennifer Pan thinks he's hot, so okay, I AM jealous of that. [Wink]

Steve Kraus
This guy impresses the heck out of me. Some of the constructs he comes up with are simply brilliant. Steve has my highest esteem.

Michael Schaffer
Because he can speak 50 different languages, and has a large vocabulary and understanding of idioms in them all. Humor is very difficult in other languages as well, which he can also pull off. I'm sure impressed.

Individuals I love like family: (in addition to certain of those above)
Phil Hill
For all the reasons everyone else has mentioned, and more. It was a toss up whether to list him here, or above for his technical skill and achievements, but I really do like Phil. I get more rotf guffaws out of him than anyone. (He's also a brilliant mind and astute engineer who I greatly admire.)

Rachel Gilardi
What a cutie-pie! She's so sweet.

Adam Martin
A sharp fellow. And he makes me laugh. Good combination.

Bruce McGee
I've always felt a kinship towards Bruce, and consider him a friend... ever since he took his first swig of Film Guard! [Smile] I identify with his television work and NC locale, as well.

OK...
End of short list. Don't feel bad if you're not on here, it doesn't mean I don't love you, there's just not enough hours. Anyway, there's only one or two folks out of the thousands in the whole FT family that I absolutely cannot stand, and even though it would be easier to do so, I won't list them here. I'm pretty sure they already know who they are, and the feeling's mutual. [Big Grin]

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 08-15-2004 12:53 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why be jealous of anyone as jealosy is a dead end
almost everyone makes a contribution to the site so why get hung up on it and every one does it in their own distinct way

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Tim Reed
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 - posted 08-15-2004 12:55 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, I think it's a misnomer. Mine is more envy or admiration.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 08-15-2004 01:39 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"Why be jealous of anyone as jealosy is a dead end"

Thank you Gord! Thjhat was the exact point I was attempting to get across. Sometimes it just takes a poet to get the words right......

Mark

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Phil Hill
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 - posted 08-15-2004 02:31 PM      Profile for Phil Hill   Email Phil Hill       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear Diary: Gosh some people are just sticks-in-the-mud and sure know how to kill a fun thread. [Razz] [evil]

>>> Phil

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James B. Openshaw
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 - posted 08-15-2004 03:37 PM      Profile for James B. Openshaw   Author's Homepage   Email James B. Openshaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, where to start?

Brad Miller: For his popular film products and his dedication to strictly administer these forums (I've seen moderators/admins at other sites let a lot of things slide). Also, his first name is my middle name. [Big Grin]

John Pytlak: Known as "The Human Search Engine" and an Academy Award Winning technician.

Joe Redifer: For having the guts to do some of the things he did shown in his 'training' videos.

Gordon McLeod: He's worked with IMAX No. 1!

Rachel Gilardi: Because she's not just a moderator, she's 'Madam Moderator'.

Phil Hill: ..........I'll think of something. (Just kidding Phil [Big Grin] )

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-16-2004 10:59 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Tim Reed
I be jealous of:

John Pytlak
And he knows it. Let's face it, he's got the coolest job - and a technical Oscar®. Pretty much says it all.

I really enjoy my "cool" job. Right now I participate on about thirty Internet user groups related to motion picture technology. Gordon McLeod told me about Film-Tech in the summer of 1999. Film-Tech is among those I enjoy the most, and has a great group of people, many of whom know each other professionally and are friends. As Steve Guttag notes, we may all have our occasional disagreements, but coming together to improve the quality of cinema presentation is what we all share and care about. This site is a "labor of love" for Brad, and it shows. [thumbsup]

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-16-2004 11:11 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Speaking of technical Oscars, how to we get Brad one? I know it is too late for this year, but how about next? And I don't wanna hear that he needs to be recommended by 90 different people in high standing within the industry or something like that. It should be what you know, not who you know. And if any of this "it's who you know" comes in to play, then Brad knows me and that should be overqualification right there. I mean, you know me and YOU have an Oscar. Coincidence? I don't think so. [Big Grin]

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 08-16-2004 11:20 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's the procedure:

http://www.oscars.org/scitech/index.html

quote:
Any device, method, formula, discovery or invention of special and outstanding value to the arts and sciences of motion pictures -- and employed in the motion picture industry during the awards year -- can be considered for recognition. The steps involved in the process have been carefully determined since the awards began. They, and the award rules, are reviewed annually and when there is room for improvement they are altered.

A committee of experts in their respective fields is organized each year by a chairman who is appointed by the president of the Academy. Approximately 40 people constitute the Scientific and Technical Awards Committee, representing cinematography (production and technical), digital imaging, electronics and research, film and laboratory, lighting and equipment, mechanical or optical effects and engineering, production, projection, exhibition techniques and sound.

Letters are sent to individuals and companies known to be concerned with the tools and techniques of filmmaking in an annual canvass asking for information about new devices or methods that have been used on the production of feature films. Accompanying the letter are an entry form, the Academy's rules for the award category and a copy of established guidelines that help the committee weigh the eligibility of the applications. Entry forms are returned to the Academy within the time allowed for compiling the applications and distributing the information to members of the committee.

All of the entries are numbered and bound into a volume, which is then sent to each of the committee members. A meeting notice is attached and the committee begins an arduous program of study and debate on the submitted items.

At its first meeting, usually held in mid-September, the committee discusses the merits of each entry. Does it fall within the parameters and guidelines for Scientific and Technical Awards? Is the item too new to the industry? Is it more than just an incremental improvement over current or previously awarded technology in this area? The validity of claims made about each submission is accepted or challenged, but a decision must be made whether or not an entry is eligible for further consideration. Not all of the submitted entries are carried forward beyond this first meeting. Some might be tabled for evaluation at a later date if the committee is curious to know what impact the items may have on the industry in the future (recommending an award prematurely might not reflect the actual contribution an item eventually makes to filmmaking). If an entry does not meet the qualifications of the rules or guidelines, the committee is obligated to reject it (though if significant improvements or alterations are made, or in some cases simply more exposure occurs in an entry originally rejected, it may be resubmitted in a future year).


Scientific and Technical Awards Committee Chair Richard Edlund.
If all the criteria are met, an invitation may be extended to the applicant offering him or her the opportunity of making a presentation of the item to the committee. If similar devices are available to the industry (but have not been submitted with an entry form) their manufacturers may also be invited to participate. Subcommittees are enlisted to provide the main committee with additional evaluations of the demonstrated items. In all instances, whether an item is demonstrated or not, surrogates are assigned to make detailed evaluations on behalf of the committee.

Prior to the final voting meeting in early December, the Main Committee and the Academy's Board of Governors are sent booklets that contain all the evaluations of the remaining Sci/Tech entries. These include all surrogate reports and subcommittee evaluations (of any items reviewed at the demonstrations). At the meeting the remaining entries are discussed again with particular emphasis on whether or not an award should be recommended. (The committee itself does not confer the Scientific and Technical Awards. Those are determined by a vote of the Academy Board of Governors.) Through a series of ballots, decisions are reached on the award recommendations and their appropriate levels of recognition. Some of the items may not be recommended -- even though they were under consideration and demonstrated for the committee. Some might be held for another year through a motion to table.

Award recognition for scientific and technical achievement is given on three levels. Technical Achievement Awards may be made for those accomplishments that contribute to the progress of the industry. A certificate is printed describing the achievement and listing the names of all of the individuals who contributed to its development.

If an achievement has had a definite influence on the advancement of the industry, it may qualify for a Scientific and Engineering Award (a bronze tablet with the name of the award in raised lettering, and a representation of the Oscar statuette in bas relief to one side of the plaque). Affixed to the base is a plate engraved with a description of the achievement and the names of the contributors.

An Academy Award of Merit, the Oscar, is conferred for basic achievements which have a definite influence on the advancement of the industry (hard-won and most often reserved for some aspect of filmmaking that has changed the way particular achievements have been accomplished since its introduction).


I do not currently serve on the Academy Scientific and Technical Awards Committee, but as a previous award winner, I do receive the entry form each year. I'm sure you could also write the Sci-Tech Committee for an entry form.

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Steve Kraus
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Come on. If you get Brad an Oscar his head will explode. Didn't anyone see Scanners? Let's pretend Joe was the inventor. He'll use his Oscar to pick up women.

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Joe Redifer
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Are you kidding? Girls in the greater Denver area won't hook up with anyone unless they have two Oscars!

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Phil Hill
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Oh PULEEZE Joe! We ALL know you use that old line "Would you like to come up to my place and see my oscar?"


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>>> Phil

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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[sleep] [Razz]

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Steve Kraus
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Thou shalt not have two Oscars lest thou first have one Oscar then thou proceedeth to two. Three is right out.

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