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Topic: Get out and VOTE tomorrow!!
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Dave Williams
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Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 11-03-2004 04:54 PM
Jeremy, it's time like these I realize I should not have quit bieng a teacher. Of course I was teaching five year old deaf kids with down's syndrome, but still I WAS MAKING A DIFFERENCE DAMMIT!!!
oh back to business... on the electoral college, I thought long and hard to today about it all and came up with a few examples that I hope at least try to help out a bit with understanding it's importance...
quote: Jeremy Fuentes
Yes, but were not voting on something on the state level, we are voting on a national level. It shouldnt matter what state I live in at all. I live in this country, and the winner represents this country, not just the interests of my state or any other state. The country as a whole, so the votes should be counted as a whole.
The winner of the presidency is quite often seen as the primary figurehead, however he has very limited powers. In all actuality, he represents the states of the republic, not the members of those states.
When you vote for president, you are only voting for electors who will then cast a vote for president. It may seem like you are voting in a national election, however a national election is exactly what the framers of our government hoped to avoid.
In all reality, you never vote in a national election. You vote for matters of locality, state, and thats it. When it comes to every four years, your state is asking you to tell it how you want it to be represented at the national level.
The only requirement for states to cast electoral votes is that they be cast in washington, in person by electoral members chosen by states to vote, on a specific day. I cannot recall the day, it is in january however.
If we were to ever do away with the electoral college and just vote the majority vote for president, it would completely strip this country of the one thing that has given it such longevity.... a "republic" of "free democratic" states. To switch to an actual national election for the first time in our nations history (since the inception of our current constitution), would deprive each state of its free will to determine how it votes for the leader of the republic. This would easily lead to outward determination of states policies regarding its affairs, and the elimination of states rights, state borders, self determination of local goverments, and eventually, yes, even the elimination of individual rigts of freedom.
Take also note that your congressmen vote on hundreds of bills each year, and you trust that they are going to do the best in your interest. You don't get to vote on these bills, you send someone to do it for you. The same is for the president. You dont vote for the president... ever. You vote for someone that holds your interests dear and hope that is the person that will cast the vote the way you wish them too.
So when you think you are voting for a president, you are really voting for some person you have never met, who will then take the state vote to washington to cast it for your state. YOu never actually vote for president. You vote for the vote for president.
Ok my head hurts. I am going to bed.
CIao
Dave
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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
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posted 11-07-2004 03:22 PM
quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
The electors meet in the capital of each state on the second Tuesday of December after the general election. A "slate" of electors submitted by the winning party of each state are the ones who cast ballots for President and Vice President. They will most likely vote for the candidates of their party, but by law are not required to do so. Those ballots are then sealed and transmitted to the Congress in Washington. In January, the President of the Senate (the current Vice President) counts the ballots and announces the official result.
You are partially correct, and partially incorrect.
At current here is how it plays out...
United States Code, Title 3, Chapter 1, Section 7: The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct.
This would put it this year on December 13. Where I erred is that the counting of the votes is on January 6th, as I originally stated that the electors meet in washington in january to place thier votes. They do in fact meet in each state, at a place determined by each state, at the date described in federal election law. There six copies of votes and certifications are each originated and sent out to their respective recipients. This is done to prevent the circumventing of votes by outside parties.
Also, while there is no constitutional provision for electors to cast votes according to thier state tally, there are 26 states that have either state law or party requirements to cast the ballots as per the state tally. The federal cannot intervene in the state affair on this matter, so they must discard or take under advisement and council any votes not in proportion to thier state tally if thier state law so demands it.
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