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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Andy,
I'm just yanking your chain [Wink] , of course it flies over England.

Here are some amazing facts about the Space Shuttle Main Engines...... These promises have been lived up to and just for Greg.
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Rocketdyne's Space Shuttle Main Engine operates at greater temperature extremes than any mechanical system in common use today. The liquid hydrogen fuel is -423 degrees Fahrenheit, the second coldest liquid on Earth. When the hydrogen is burned with liquid oxygen, the temperature in the engine's combustion chamber reaches +6000 degrees Fahrenheit - that's higher than the boiling point of Iron.

The maximum equivalent horsepower developed by the three SSMEs is just over 37 million horsepower.

The energy released by three of Rocketdyne's Space Shuttle Main engines is equivalent to the output of 13 Hoover Dams.

Although not much larger than an automobile engine, the SSME high-pressure fuel turbopump generates 100 horsepower for each pound of its weight, while an automobile engine generates about one-half horsepower for each pound of its weight.

Even though Rocketdyne's SSME weighs one-seventh as much as a locomotive engine, its high-pressure fuel pump alone delivers as much horsepower as 28 locomotives, while its high-pressure oxidizer pump delivers the equivalent horsepower for 11 more.

If water, instead of fuel, were pumped by the three Space Shuttle Main Engines, an average family-sized swimming pool could be drained in 25 seconds.

The SSME high-pressure fuel turbopump main shaft rotates at 37,000 rpm compared to about 3,000 rpm for an automobile operating at 60 mph.

The discharge pressure of an SSME high-pressure fuel turbopump could send a column of liquid hydrogen 36 miles in the air
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They forgot to mention that the turbopumps go from stand still to 37,000 rpm in less than two seconds! Now thats really pickin up steam in a hurry [Eek!] .

Mark

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Joe Redifer
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200 miles up is indeed far, but not exactly what I would call "the outer limits". I think NASA should start impressing us again. Screw the space station, let it burn up. Until we start storing nukes up there, it is of no importance. I don't care how a certain strain of amoebas reproduce in zero gravity. I want to blow up planets!

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
If water, instead of fuel, were pumped by the three Space Shuttle Main Engines, an average family-sized swimming pool could be drained in 25 seconds.
How inefficient! That's almost as bad as the Hummer "H2". They should have a hybrid shuttle by now. Obviously NASA only wants to destroy the environment and pollute our atmosphere. Fuckers.

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Darryl Spicer
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Rocketdyne's Space Shuttle Main Engine operates at greater temperature extremes than any mechanical system in common use today. The liquid hydrogen fuel is -423 degrees Fahrenheit, the second coldest liquid on Earth. When the hydrogen is burned with liquid oxygen, the temperature in the engine's combustion chamber reaches +6000 degrees Fahrenheit - that's higher than the boiling point of Iron.

and what keeps the engine bell from melting down from the high temps. The answer is the liquid hydrogen is fed through circular tubes that run through the engine bell on it's way to the cumbustion chamber. Thus the -423 degree temp keeps the bell cool.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Darryl,

The Nozzel itself is actually made of lengths of welded titanuim tubing, I ahve a cutaway photo someplace and will look for it tonight. This tubing is cinntcted at the top and bottom by circular ducts for the liquid hydrogen. The hydrogen circulates into the upper duct down though the tubing and out to the combustion chamber through the lower duct. Also note that it is circulated by the LP turbo pumps at several hundred psi, not the high pressire pumps which operate at thousands of pounds of pressure. The feed to and from the nozzel is between the two pumps.

Mark

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Floyd Justin Newton
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It's up! [Smile]

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Andy Summers
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Hello there all

Good morning Afternoon and evening…

Mark; that was some wind up I really fail for that one, you Space monkey.

Hi there Darryl are you watching the updates via the NASA television, man that imagining was totally indispensable and out of this world, I felt like the wild coyote…

You bet she’s up wow that is one brave commander they have there, Eileen bring the Discovery and the rest of the crew back home safely and God Speed Discovery. [beer]

Joe, man your mind is warped factor 2, Let the ISS burn-up blow up planets, gentlemen, no more Star Wars for that guy…. [Eek!]

I’m going stay watching until (Discovery STS-114) touchdowns, by the way where is she landing home port, or out in the desert the dry lake in California.

Bill Readdy Associate Administrator of the Space Operations Mission Directorate
Said today at the NASA press conference

“Your can never let down your guard” (Bill Readdy) 26th July 2005 said this today.

Bill Readdy as fly several missions in the past

(Bill Readdy) was first on (Discovery STS-42) as a Mission Specialist 3 Launch Jan. 22, 1992.

Again on (STS-51 Discovery) serving as Pilot Launch September 12, 1993.

And on (STS-79 Atlantis) was the commander of the Space shuttle Launch September 16, 1996

You can watch updates on the mission of STS-114 return to flight live via NASA television.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/

As well as, the (J-Tracking) for the ISS international space station
http://science.nasa.gov/temp/StationLoc.html

Also the (J-Tracking for Discovery STS-114)
http://science.nasa.gov/temp/ShuttleLoc.html

PS, Mark, why man you should this to your interests and hobbies, and why on earth are you not working for NASA man you blow me away.

I’m wondering what other cameras they have onboard (Discovery STS-114) any IMAX cameras! [thumbsup]

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Joe Redifer
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Andy, in English, "Hallo" means "I am a moron".

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Richard Fowler
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Hallo is O.K. for a German to send regards [Big Grin] Great to see the shuttle flying again

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Phil Hill
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I think the USA should junk the whole "manned" space effort. I mean, with the exception of a some mega$$$ NASA contractors, what is ANYONE gaining by it other than the "prestige" of being an astronaut or the NASA-wigs making "IT" work and patting themselves on the back?

Both NASA and the Shuttle have provided some great new technology over the years, but have LONG outlived their usefulness...dump 'em!

This lastest "fuel gauge" delay is an great example of an out-of-control, lack-of-common-sense NASA gone wild. The over-zealous scientists monitor the monitors that monitor the monitors... It's telemetry gone wild. No wonder private industry can do a better job at space flight.

I'd MUCH rather see all the kabillion $$$ spent on that put to more useful things here on earth....Ummmm for, and to help the citizens of the USA.

Keep the deep-space probes and survey/photo/scientific unmanned missions...those kick ass....

Just my 2-cents...

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Aaron Mehocic
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Phil,

Granted, but what about all the research that is conducted aboard manned space flights? Medical expermintations, simulation sets for the eventual mission to Mars, space walks and so on and so forth. You are right about the shuttle program being obsolete, yet I'm not quite sure un-manned is the way to go as of now.

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Joe Redifer
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Phil just wants all the men to stay here on Earth, with him (sorry Phil, couldn't resist. Actually I'm not sorry).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I think it should also stay manned but we need to revive something more practical like the Saturn V and Apollo capsule program because it always worked and pretty flawlessly at that. And until we have a new space telescope to place upstairs we should repair the Hubble via the shuttle no matter how dangerous it is. Hubble has gained us far more knowledge than anything from any space program in existance.

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Phil Hill
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You are sooo far out to lunch Joe. I don't care what you say... I have YET to see a good-looking one...nor do I care if you kiss my *astronaut* (ass-or-not).

Aaron: I really don't care if they can make a perfect circle amoeba. (The band "Perfect Circle" is MUCH better!)

Nor do I care if they can grow marijuana in space..OR space-walk! B-O-R-I-N-G!

I do think it's really cool that they take aboard Jr. High and HS student experiments. That is really cool for the interested students and helps them in their education.

BUT! In the long run, I REALLY don't see the value to all that except for some remote possibility that it may help mankind.

Save the rain forests 1st! ...they probably have more "cures" than all the space "experiments" combined. JEEZEUS!

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Andy Summers
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Hello there

Mark, Phil

Man must explore, the gift we have been given is not to be wasted, and the exploration of the vast unknown will challenge us to the point where some day the big picture will reveal its self?

And think of Voyager 1 & 2 still out there, and performing there duties incredible 28 years September and August 1977.

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/

http://space.umd.edu/voyager/Voypict.gif

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Phil Hill
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quote: Andy Summers
Man must explore, the gift we have been given is not to be wasted, and the exploration of the vast unknown will challenge us to the point where some day the big picture will reveal its self?
Then let *HIM*, that gave mankind the 'GIFT', pay for it all...

As far as the unmanned space exploration, I agree Andy...those are a few of the MANY unmanned accomplishments!

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