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Rachel Craven
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posted 12-27-2005 11:21 PM

That is just plain outright sick...

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 12-28-2005 07:32 AM

quote: Greg Mueller
Could there have been other problems in the family, other than the gay issue?

Christmas is the time of year when family problems tend to bubble to the surface and boil over, in my experience. The catalyst is often extended family members being together in the same room for the one and only occasion during the year... and as a friend pointed out, there's usually a reason why they don't occupy the same room on any other occasion.

That having been said, I can't think of any 'problem' which could excuse that level of vindictiveness.

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Greg Mueller
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posted 12-28-2005 09:09 AM

quote: Leo Enticknap
I can't think of any 'problem'....

Thanks for the effort. I was just wondering if anyone knew/knows anything about the situation.

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William T. Parr
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posted 12-28-2005 11:49 AM

quote: Leo Enticknap
I can't think of any 'problem' which could excuse that level of vindictiveness.

Yep, that is a case of parents that need to slapped into reality. Behavior like this from any grown adult towards thier children regardless of thier sexual orientation is just plain retarded. Heres to you Mom and Dad of this individual [fu]

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Brad Miller
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posted 12-28-2005 04:45 PM

To answer the specific questions:

quote: Mathew Molloy
Did the family members accept his gifts to them? How's he handling this/what's his response to being treated this way?

I believe so and he has been trying to conceal his feelings. I bought him a pair of Bose headphones for Christmas that he was drooling over and he was quite choked up. He probably thought that *everyone* was abandoning him.

quote: Greg Mueller
Could there have been other problems in the family, other than the gay issue?

None that I'm aware of or can vision, no.

quote:
I definately agree that this thread should be printed out and sent to the family. Even if there are other "problems" the family seeing this thread may cause an urge to settle differences. There are some good points in this thread to be taken by all!!

Good points, yes. Good idea, I honestly don't think so. IMHO all this would do is pour more fuel on the fire and make his situation even worse because the family would probably see this as an outrage due to being public (even though it is anonymous) and treat him even worse. It's also precisely what his ex did in the first place.

quote: Frank Dubrois
He should find the means to leave. He shouldnt tell them anything...when he's leaving, where he's going, nothing.

When he was first outed by the letter he stayed at my place in the guest room for a few weeks. He seemed to have an obligation to return to his family and was able to work things out good enough to go back, but after hearing about this I think he should've just stayed until he got on his feet and cut off ALL communication with them.

quote: Joe Redifer
I've known a few people (mostly online) who will go up and down about how evil being gay is and how it is such an abonation or whatever. I always try to steer the conversation to porn, and they without a doubt say that they LOVE lesbians. HELLO! When I point that out they don't seem to understand. Like lesbians aren't homosexual or something. I guess some people are so thick-headed that they are completely blind to everything but what they want to see.

Indeed!

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William Hooper
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posted 12-29-2005 12:39 AM

quote: Brad Miller
Good idea, I honestly don't think so. IMHO all this would do is pour more fuel on the fire and make his situation even worse because the family would probably see this as an outrage due to being public (even though it is anonymous) and treat him even worse.

You can be sure of that.

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Phil Hill
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posted 12-29-2005 02:41 AM

I agree William and Brad. I'm soooo holding my tongue on the stupidity of the suggestion of interfering with an already sad/hostile/volatile "family" situation by sending a copy of this thread to them.

While the intention may be good, it would only serve to make that kid's life worse and perhaps even cause him to be expelled from the roof over his head and drive him having to fend for himself perhaps on the street, and maybe even to desperation!

While that "roof" is far from perfect, and as long as he realizes what is going on, it is a place until he is able to support himself without the hazards and dangers of street life or being forced to have a sugardaddy.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 12-29-2005 10:59 AM

quote: Brad Miller
Good points, yes. Good idea, I honestly don't think so. IMHO all this would do is pour more fuel on the fire and make his situation even worse because the family would probably see this as an outrage due to being public (even though it is anonymous) and treat him even worse. It's also precisely what his ex did in the first place.

After reading more posts I agree its a bad idea.... but how does a family with an attitiude like this become educated enough to accept him for what he is?

Mark

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 12-29-2005 01:03 PM

Some people are too thickheaded to ever change about this kind of stuff. One of my very best friends (a white girl) married a black man, and her family all but disowned her over it. They've been married now for about 15 years. He is in every respect a fine person, but her family still will have nothing to do with him. You just have to keep in mind, some people are just idiots and nothing can be done about it.

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Wolff King Morrow
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posted 12-29-2005 01:17 PM

I'm not sure which is worse, his family for they way they reacted, or his ex for the downright evil thing of exposing him like that. It shows how cruel people can be, straight or gay.

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Phil Hill
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posted 12-29-2005 02:36 PM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
.... but how does a family with an attitiude like this become educated enough to accept him for what he is?

I don't think one can ever educate those that don't want to be...about anything.

Many times bigotry, hate, intolerance, and the lack of compassion is passed on from generation-to-generation by people that have been "guided" (misguided) by religious or cultural teachings and it is too deeply imbedded in those that blindly follow the rhetoric...even at the expense of their own flesh and blood.

I'd suggest "accidentally" leaving a book laying around such as the one William suggested, but I'm sure that would also fan the flames of that family fire.

A sad situation.

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John Pytlak
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posted 12-29-2005 03:29 PM

Very sad. Prejudice and intolerance still live on, killing the human spirit in ways big and small. [Frown]

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[ 12-29-2005, 10:42 PM: Message edited by: John Pytlak ]

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Mathew Molloy
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posted 12-29-2005 03:49 PM

Hey John, those are coming up as dead links on my computer.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-29-2005 05:15 PM

Yeah, John.... ALL Kodak links are required to have the word "go" in them. That's why they do not work.

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John Pytlak
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posted 12-29-2005 10:44 PM

Try again.

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