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Topic: I got a jury summons today! Ugh....
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Charles Greenlee
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From: Savannah, Ga, U.S.
Registered: Jun 2006
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posted 08-21-2006 01:34 AM
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Liquid JPEG2000... not much fizz though.... WTF did you think was in it?
Tasted more like Liquid Technicolor, but then again there was also hint of either Halogen fluid or maybe Xenon fluid, both have a similar tang. Of course it's hard to tell these days, Liquid Technicolor could be cut with almost anything. I remember a few months back sending a trainee to the theatre next door to get some, and what he brought back must have been bad. This trainee was also sent to get a film reverser, since we had a reel wrapped with the emulsion on the wrong side, which he didn't come back with, said they couldn't find it, so I had to use a MUT, such barbaric means.
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David Buckley
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posted 08-21-2006 02:16 AM
I did two "bouts" of jury service in my time in the UK, apparently if you do three then thats it, you never get called again.
I'd highly recommend doing jury service, it really is interesting, and gives you a completely different perspective on just what the powers that be are willing to put in front of a jury, and most of all, on the people you get along side you on the jury. Truly an eye opener.
On the other hand, there is a lot of sitting around doing nothing, bring a good thick book...
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Michael Schaffer
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posted 08-21-2006 03:13 AM
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Yea! And don't forget that alot of people from here died to save your country just so you could be born and then come over here . I wonder how the Germans and French would have felt had the general anti-war attitude everyone has today existed back then..... That'd have given you the too bad, we don't need to be there attitude.
Mark, Mark, Mark...you did so well for a while, giving good rational answers and then you have to fall back into village fool mode and spout this nonsense...disappointing...
I was just teasing you a little bit, but it seems that the fanatical nature of flagwaving simply can't be controlled. Let me clarify a few basic things for you:
First of all, I am not the one who was complaining that he has to fulfill unpleasant democratic duties in return for the freedoms he enjoys.
You are.
I am not the one either who would consider throwing away essential rights such as the right to vote.
You are.
So you have absolutely no business at all telling me these things. I am extremely aware of why we live in the situation we live in today. And I am not complaining about the little things we have to give back for these priviledges.
You are.
In fact, and secondly, your reply shows that you are apparently not very well acquainted with the history of your own country. Which kind of makes sense because you don't respect the basic democratic values of your country enough to pay the little price that is asked for them in return.
"Back then", a general and very strong anti-war attitude did in fact exist. That is why Roosevelt (who was the US President "back then", you probably heard the name before, even though you obviously don't know much about what happened "back then") was extremely reluctant to let the US be drawn into the war and would have preferred to influence the situation from afar with carefully dosed material help. A majority of people, including apparently Roosevelt himself, did have the "too bad, we don't need to be there" attitude - understandably. But they didn't have much of a choice from a certain point onwards, because they were actually attacked by Japan and then war was declared on them by Germany. They didn't enter the war to free Germany or indeed anybody else. Many Americans didn't want to fight Germany, many even admired Hitler and condoned his racist policies - which were not much different from racial legislation in the US "back then". They were drawn into a global conflict against their will and had to chose sides and they chose sides because they feared that NS Germany would become too strong, so they even pacted with the USSR - every bit as sinister a dictatorship - which instead dominated half the world after the war. Which was a complete failure from that point of view. You may or may not have heard about these things. You probably have, but apparently without understanding the contexts. But that is too complex to school you about here, in the yak corner of a technical forum. It does however fit in with your very fragmented view of things. But you can look at it this way - at least they got the rocket scientists and benefitted from Hitler's rocket projects so they could go to the moon, at least one more thing you can flagwave about. Without remembering that the same basic technology developed by the same people had been used to carry payloads into England.
Thirdly, the current political situation in general - which we aren't supposed to discuss here anyway, so we won't - has *nothing* to do with "back then" and absolutely *nothing at all* with your lack of zest when it comes to fulfilling your citizen duties. Apparently you think that a little flagwaving and strong language is all that is needed. In fact, you are trampling on the memory of those who died in WWII and many other wars.
Fourthly, your lack of democratic sense and understanding of history has nothing to do with these people. Neither you nor me actually took part in WWII. Both of us just happened to be born where we were born, we haven't contributed to these events at all. Our contributions are what we do in oir lifetimes, not what people did before us. I would find it pretty idiotic to claim credit for what people who lived before me did.
Fifthly, rather than spraying me with that nonsense, you should thank me for being here with my knowledge and work ethic and making a small, but valuable contribution to "your" country - a much more valuable contribution than quite a lot of actual US citizens make who just dope out or don't have any particular skills or work attitude. If you really were an actual "patriot", then you would see that and appreciate it because it is a positive contribution to the country you flagwave about.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 08-21-2006 03:37 AM
quote: Michael Schaffer
"Back then", a general and very strong anti-war attitude did in fact exist. That is why Roosevelt (who was the US President "back then", you probably heard the name before, even though you obviously don't know much about what happened "back then") was extremely reluctant to let the US be drawn into the war and would have preferred to influence the situation from afar with carefully dosed material help.
And also, bear in mind that the 'America First' movement was a powerful force in the pre-Pearl Harbor period, with prominent figures such as Senators Wheeler and Nye opposing Roosevelt every step of the way. It had the majority of US public opinion on its side: the experience of World War I, the huge loss of life and the economic depression which followed it (as portrayed in films such as I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang and The Roaring Twenties) had left a deep impression, one which culminated in the 1939 Neutrality Act.
So Roosevelt wasn't reluctant: in fact, judged by the standards at the time, he very much came down on the interventionist side of the fence. Rather, he was caught between a rock (Hitler) and a hard place (domestic political pressure). On the one hand he recognised the dangers of Nazism, even with the Atlantic Ocean between him and it. But on the other he had to deal with agroundswell of public opinion against any sort of involvement (not just military: there was also significant opposition to lend-lease). Incidentally, that situation was mirrored in Britain, too. As late as 1935 Stanley Baldwin stated in a newsreel electioneering item that 'I will never stand for a policy of great armament', reflecting the political taboo that any hint of getting involved in a military conflict represented. And the debate about Chamberlain's appeasement tactics in 1938 (was he a wuss, too scared to call Hitler's bluff, or did he simply have no choice because at the time, Britain's armed forces didn't stand a hope in hell against Hitler?) will run and run.
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Michael Schaffer
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posted 08-21-2006 03:55 AM
Also, Roosevelt may have been inclined to help, but not to help perpetuate the colonial British Empire which was what Churchill hoped to do - in vain, as it turned out. I think it was both against Roosevelt's political convictions and wouldn't have looked good to the American public if they had risked American lives to help keep the British colonial empire together.
Ironically, it was the war which finally ended the recession and pumped up the US economy.
Whatever Chamberlain was really like - he doesn't really make a very intelligent and strong impression from newsreel footage, but that may deceive -, he didn't have a choice anyway. Militarily, they wouldn't have stood a chance - they didn't, since later they depended on massive aid from overseas simply to surivive - and politically, a lot of people didn't really mind that Hitler annexed both Austria and the Sudetenland which were after all all German speaking people. That it was basically inevitable that he would go on is now very clear to us, in hindsight, and it may have been almost as clear to people back then, but no political leader can be blamed for trying to avoid another epic war. A lot of people internationally also quietly agreed to the annexations because they felt that Germany had been made to pay too much after WWI - from which the US profited massively by selling supplies, arms, and lending money with massive interests to the European participants...Everything in this world is connected. It is just sad that most people never learn from these things.
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