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Author Topic: D-SLR chat Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-25-2007 08:24 AM                     quote: Martin Brooks the D200 produces more noise at high ISOs than the D80 does. I thought they used the same sensor. I just took a look at the Nikon comparison chart and there really is not that much difference between the two. In fact the battery gets almost twice as many shots as the D-20's battery does and for me thats important, camping and such there is often no AC power to charge up and caarrying extra batterys will not be necessary. I'm not sure where you read that the D-80 has better S/N but since I shoot in fairly dark paces that would be an advantage and comparing the D-80 to the Canon Rebel specs the Nikon actually does a bit better in many aspects. In the case of the EOS VS. Nikon the better photos would be produced by the camera with the better glass and from my experience that would be Nikon although some of the aftermarket lenses have become as good or better lately. Mark  |  IP: Logged Joel N. Weber II Expert Film Handler Posts: 115 From: Somerville, MA, USA Registered: Dec 2005 posted 02-25-2007 12:23 PM                     Philip Greenspun's review of the Rebel XTi claims that Canon has better image sensor technology than Nikon has access to: quote: All of the other small-sensor 10-megapixel digital SLRs use a CCD manufactured by Sony. They all produce roughly the same image quality. According to the magazines and Web sites that exhaust themselves taking pictures of test targets, the Canon Digital Rebel XTi produces image quality that is superior to that produced by its 10-megapixel competitors. Canon is the only company with the money and the engineering depth to make its own sensor, a CMOS design like that in the professional Canon bodies.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-25-2007 03:10 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen I'm not sure where you read that the D-80 has better S/N It's no secret that the Canon has better S/N over the Nikon. I am actually considering picking up a Canon and doing comparisons myself. I do prefer the Nikon quality of glass though. Here is a link showing Canon vs. Nikon. [ 02-25-2007, 08:51 PM: Message edited by: Brad Miller ]  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-25-2007 11:03 PM                     The results are not unlike shooting with film that is rated at ASA 3200... the old Kodak High Speed Recording Film had grain structure like golf balls but was pretty neat stuff in its time!! The Canon I tried was the D30 and the main thing I didn't like about(aside fomr really poor autofocus was the shutter release lag... The Nikon has them beat there and is quite a bit faster. I would rarely if ever use the 3200 rating so the noise level at that speed for me doesn't mean much and at the next lower rating, 1600... both cameras compare pretty well. Of course this comparison is not comparing the Canon 30-D and the Nikon D-80 which are the two that I have tried so far. The one thing the Canon does have thats really neato is the Ultrasonic CCD cleaner mode... The Nikon CCD would have to be cleaned by hand and at some risk to the face of the chip. Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul Trimboli Master Film Handler Posts: 274 From: Perth Western Australia Registered: Dec 2002 posted 03-01-2007 08:21 PM                     Hi Mark As a camera technician and the warranty service agent for both Nikon and Canon I have had a fair bit of experience with this gear. I prefer Nikon SLRs then I do Canon, the reason being is I find the Canon to feel very plastic, the Nikon has a nice solid feel to it. The D80 is a great camera and have not had many in for servicing (which is a good thing!). Don't be fooled by the ultrasonic CCD cleaning mode of cameras, while it might help somewhat you still need to give the image sensor a proper clean. Avoid changing lens outdoors, always change lens pointing down, keep a body cap on when you have no lens on. One thing that amazes me if how dirty the back of customers lens are and how dirty their body caps are, then they come and complain that there image sensor gets dirty all the time! The risk to the filter on the sensor of giving it a clean by hand is minimal, point the camera downward and give it a puff of air to remove any large bits of dirt that could do damage, then use isopropyl alcohol on a lint free tissue around some tweezers. Make the tissue form a point and make sure the tips of the tweezers are far enough away from the end of the tissue so you can't accidently scratch the filter. This is the factory recommended method for most brands and works great. Take a test photo at widest aperture of a white light source and put that into photoshop and perform auto levels, that will show up at dirty in the absolute worst possible situation.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-02-2007 01:17 PM                     Thanks for the tips Paul! I too was a camera tech... For Canon USA back in the late 70's early 80's. My forte was AE-1's, A-1's and optics. I also worked with the TV optics department and did repairs on TV camera lenses. The Japaneese were alot of fun to work for but my eyes couldn't take it for more than a few years. Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul Trimboli Master Film Handler Posts: 274 From: Perth Western Australia Registered: Dec 2002 posted 03-02-2007 07:34 PM                     We still see a fair few AE-1s come through for service, and alot of the older Nikons. I guess people know old mainly mechanical cameras will give them lots of years use once they have a service. But its one of the older techs that does them now, I might only repair a film camera once ever couple of months these days. We are a very busy workshop, but we do service all of Western Australia so not much of a supprise. It did take some getting used to working on such fine equipment but it become second nature. You will find if you keep your equipment clean then CCDs cleans become much less of an issue. Last year when the World Rally came to WA I watched some of it on TV and looking at press photographers putting really expensive cameras/lens down onto the red dirt made me cringe, but more work for us I guess!  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-02-2007 11:30 PM                        I started using Nikon cameras long before I became a professional portrait photographer. The first Nikon I owned was the rangefinder SP I had my brother buy for me from a PX in Japan when he was stationed there in the Army in 1959. To this day, I still regret trading it in for a brand new Nikon F. The Nikon SP along with a Calumet 4X5 sheet film and a Rolleiflex medium format cameras were put to good use when I was a student at Brooks Institute in Santa Barbara, Calif. Since starting out with the SP, I have pretty much used all of Nikon professional film cameras except the F5 & the current F6 and decided on the F100 which has a lot of features found in the F5. I still use the F100 primarily for shooting color transparency film. Because it had a Nikon body and I could use my lenses, my first digital camera was the Fuji S-1 but it could never compare with the Nikon 70 and my brand new D200. I have never had any problem with Nikon cameras and none had ever 'died' on me in the middle of an assignment. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Justin Gorka Expert Film Handler Posts: 174 From: High Wycombe, England Registered: Apr 2006 posted 05-29-2007 03:14 AM                     How do you guys rate the Olympus 4/3's cameras. I'm interested in upgrading to a DLSR from my Canon AE-1 and T-70 to a DSLR. The E410 looks good to me at the monent for bang per buck. Any views?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-29-2007 06:55 AM                     My dad had an olympus SLR and when it broke after a few years it could not be repaired because of some discontinued parts or something. As a result I've always stayed away from Olympus. Paul might be able to better answer that though.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul Trimboli Master Film Handler Posts: 274 From: Perth Western Australia Registered: Dec 2002 posted 05-29-2007 10:04 PM                     Yeh I have never been a fan of Olympus stuff. There design moto seems to be well we COULD design this simply but hell lets make it really complicated. They tend to be messy to service. Not had much experience with the Olympus D SLRs as we are not the agents for them. I don't get the idea on that Olympus of having a live preview on the back LCD since its an SLR, meaning it has a second smaller CCD in the viewfinder. Why not look at something like the Nikon D40 if your looking in the size and range? I have spoken to people about the E410 and they said its just too small, does not fit well in your hand which is not a good thing when it comes to SLRs.  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 02-09-2009 01:08 PM                 It has been 621 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 02-09-2009 01:08 PM                        I'm looking to buy a Digital SLR and I was shocked at that price - which is still available. Of course the BS radar went crazy and I started looking for some info on the company. I came across these reviews. Digitals Future reviews  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-10-2009 08:40 AM                     If you think the camera is expensive wait till you go to aquire a few high quality lenses for it .... The cheap Digital SLR lenses are just that... cheap!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-10-2009 10:27 AM                     I'm still considering buying a Canon EOS 5D Mark II camera body (and selling my Digital Rebel XTi and its cheap kit lens to a co-worker). $2700 approx. for the body alone. The camera is overwhelmingly meant for still photography use. The 21 megapixel sensor will do well for capturing high res images great for use on things like vehicle wraps and billboards. Still, I was a bit disappointed in a limitation to its 1080p HD video recording function. It seems that the video recording only works in full auto mode. You can't manually adjust aperture and exposure settings for difference DOF appearances. That kind of sucks. Do the video-capable Nikon D-SLR bodies have that same auto-only limitation? I wonder if its something Canon can fix with a firmware update.  |  IP: Logged

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