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Gracia L. Babbidge
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I have a coworker that teases me about being "old" - but told him that the first Star Wars movie was in theaters not only before I was born, it was out about six months before I was conceived. And no, my parents didn't see the film then, and as far as I know - neither of them has ever watched any of the Star Wars films in their entirety.

I did see the special edition version of the classic trilogy at the (then) Hoyts Brunswick 10, ten years ago. (The place still exists, but now it's a Regal.) I also watched the prequels on cinema screens. Phantom Menace @ Hoyts Auburn 10 (now a Flagship); Attack of the Clones @ Flaship Lewiston 10; Revenge of the Sith @ Regal Cinemas Brunswick 10. Where I live has five 10-screen cinemas I could drive to in no more than 45 minutes, but not one withing walking distance. Whee!

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Mike Heenan
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I'm happy I fell asleep during the re release of Empire Strikes Back. [thumbsup]

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Joe Redifer
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I remember having a great deal of fun playing with the Kenner Star Wars toys.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Michael Schaffer
I always wondered why those scenes, given how tight the budget was, weren't shot in California in the first place, or other desert locations in the South West US.
From “The Making Of Star Wars.” J.W. Rinzler, Ballantine, 2007, p40.

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On or a few days after April 5, 1975, [producer Gary] Kurtz traveled to London, taking all of [illustrator Ralph] McQuarrie’s [conceptual] paintings with him as a reference when interviewing potential department heads, because the next step was getting things going in England.

“Why England?” Kurtz asks rhetorically. “Because it was the solution to a multifaceted problem. There was the cost factor. Certain things are cheaper in certain parts of the world. We had investigated Spain, Yugoslavia, and several other countries, and we’d come up with what we thought was the best compromise. We also wanted locations for the desert planet to be in North Africa, and it’s much closer to North Africa from England than from the United States. We could find deserts elsewhere — New Mexico, Arizona, or Old Mexico, Central America, either very good or spectacular — but we wanted slightly bizarre architecture that still looked real. Also we wanted an English cameraman, with a certain level of technological sophistication.”

Lucas and his producer had done the math that showed the United States would cost almost twice as much as England in some below-the-line areas: that is, crew costs. With Fox already panicked about the budget, these savings were essential.


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Michael Schaffer
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But couldn't they have shot these desert scenes in the US with a different crew, and then the studio stuff in England? I guess it still wouldn't have made sense financially, otherwie they would have done it.

quote: Joe Redifer
I remember having a great deal of fun playing with the Kenner Star Wars toys.
I like!
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BTW, this is one of these "differences" that I seem to remember, namely that when I first saw the movie, or when I saw it later, I don't remember clearly, in any case, in one of the releases I saw, the camera didn't pan all the way over to the charred bodies, or maybe it did, but it didn't cut back to them after cutting to Luke. I am pretty sure one of the releases I saw back then was less "explicit", showed less of the charred bodies.

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Tim Reed
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More fuzzy memories...

I also seem to remember seeing a different opening crawl. Instead of saying "Episode IV," I could've sworn it said "Episode III" (or maybe it was a different episode title - instead of "A New Hope"?) in the original release.

Anyone else remember this?

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Steve Guttag
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My recollection was no Episode number or title beyond STAR WARS. George's "vision" has been revisionist in just about every interview he has ever given since it was released. It was on a reissue that the Episode 4, A New Hope thing came about.

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Mike Heenan
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The different crawl thing has been confirmed with British IB tech prints, when they were reused for the reissue, they spliced in replacement crawls on regular eastman stock.

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Damien Taylor
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That's terrible to hear. Cost cutting I know, but butchery all the same.

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Michael Coate
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From May 25, 1977: A Day Long Remembered

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The “Episode IV: A New Hope” tag at the head of the opening scroll was not present in the original prints of the film. The tag was seen for the first time by audiences in America during the spring 1981 re-release, the first re-release after the 1980 original release of the follow-up to “Star Wars”: “The Empire Strikes Back.”

In a May 1980 interview with The Seattle Times, George Lucas explained why “Star Wars” was originally released without an episode number or subtitle: “I chickened out at the last minute thinking people aren't going to understand what this is all about, so we dropped ‘Episode IV: A New Hope.’ Now we're putting it back on. ‘Empire’ will be called ‘Episode V.’ ”

The presence of an episode number and subtitle on the opening scroll of “The Empire Strikes Back” caused some confusion and received coverage in many film reviews and major news and film industry magazines, including TIME, Newsweek, and American Cinematographer. Why the confusion? Obviously, audiences had not yet seen a “Star Wars” movie begin with an episode number or subtitle!

The “Empire” film review that appeared in The Washington Post clarified the situation: “When ‘Star Wars’ is reissued, probably next summer, the prints will include the subtitle, ‘Episode IV: A New Hope.’ This adjustment may already be seen in the published screenplay, which came out last winter in an attractive book called ‘The Art Of Star Wars.’ ”


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Tim Reed
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Wow! Thanks for the great info, Michael (how DO you do it) - and the screen captures! Very well done.

That 'Episode IV' thing has been bugging me for YEARS. I just knew I'd seen it differently in the beginning.

[Smile]

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Brad Miller
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I couldn't tell you what month I saw it in it's original 1977 release, but I am 100% positive it was a 35mm mono print at the Wilshire Village Cinema Twin in Burleson, TX screen #1 running off of a Simplex head and AW2 platter before they upgraded in the 1980s to a CP50 if that is any help. [Razz]

I can further back up the bit about how #4 was released without the episode number or "A New Hope" title. A friend of mine several years ago had a 35mm print from that first release. (It was nice and faded. It had nice pink stars over reddish space.) It was a Dolby A print and it absolutely guaranteed did NOT have that title in the opening crawl. It was weird to see that opening.

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Frank Dubrois
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If I'm not mistaken, the new (non-enhanced version) of the Star Wars DVD doesn't have the Episode IV or A New Hope on it.

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John Wilson
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That's true Frank.

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Hillary Charles
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My family saw it while on vacation at my father's hunting camp. Once we're done traipsing around the mountains of upstate Pennsylvania, there's not much else to do, so we drove over the state line to Olean, NY, and saw the movie in an old mom-and-pop theater.

They definitely had a changeover system, as one reel came up upside down and in reverse. The show had an unscheduled intermission as the projectionist rewound and rethreaded the reel. I clearly remember that, and the fact that my mother fell asleep during the show.

But don't ask me if the opening said "Episode IV." [Smile]

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