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Author Topic: HD on NBC... Sound Sync Problem? +OT Rants on all things bad with network TV Mark Ogden Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 943 From: Little Falls, N.J. Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-01-2007 03:50 PM                     quote: Jesse Skeen Matt Groening is a sellout for allowing this to go on for so long. Neither Matt Groening nor any other television producer for any network anywhere has any say in the matter. The Simpsons is owned by Fox, it’s their show to air as they like, with whatever they like over it. If you accept network money to produce or license your show, you do so knowing that a network brand ID is going to appear, end of story. In fact, the various Discovery channels (Discovery, Animal Planet, Science Channel, HD Theatre et. al.) have program delivery standards that specify the position of the bug down to the line and millisecond. Content providers have to agree to this contractually, they also have to agree to keep that area of the image clear of other graphic content before seeing a dollar from them.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-01-2007 07:25 PM                        What is the official purpose of a bug? How does it bring in more $$$ to the networks and/or local affiliate?  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 10-01-2007 08:08 PM                     In this case, the purpose of the bug is to bug...the viewer! IMHO it's just branding, pure and simple. In this zillion-channel world, the networks want you to be sure you are watching CBS, Discovery Channel, Food Network, whatever, even if the programming already makes it obvious what channel you're tuned to.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 10-02-2007 01:14 PM                        It seemed like a good idea......at first. Louis  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 10-02-2007 03:34 PM                     Does A.C. Neilsen still send out the viewer diaries, or is this now done electronically? The diaries may have been the original reason for the "bugs".  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 10-02-2007 05:31 PM                     I think MTV started placing "bugs" in the 1980s to prevent people from taping and then reusing/reselling their programming. Today the branding concept seems to be the logical reason for continuing the practice. I just love it when program tags overlay a subtitle.  |  IP: Logged Mark Strube Master Film Handler Posts: 322 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Registered: Feb 2007 posted 10-03-2007 09:48 AM                        I hate it when networks think it's an okay idea to place large animated ads in the picture in the middle of a show! A good example was the premiere of Heroes... about 4-5 times we got treated to large animated ads on the bottom of the image, with the Bionic Woman's hair blowing. Very distracting while I'm trying to watch one of my favorite shows.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 10-03-2007 01:02 PM                    I absolutely agree with that. That is a horrible practice, and it makes me not want to watch either show. I'm almost to the point where I'll wait for the show to premier on DVDs or iTunes for that very reason. It's sad when I would rather watch Lost and 24 on my 17" widescreen laptop display through iTunes than watch them on the 53" HDTV in my living room. quote: Mark Ogden Neither Matt Groening nor any other television producer for any network anywhere has any say in the matter. I think Mr. Groening has a little more pull than you give him credit for in that statement. Sure, most producers do not, but I believe if he flexed his muscle just a little bit, they would listen.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-04-2007 12:41 PM                     With DTV (HD), with the push of a button, you can get an on screen display that tells you the network, program, and other information; so why do we still need this stupid bug? Notice that you never see the bug during commercials. The sponsor could claim that the bug is a distraction, and refuse to pay for the spot. That should tell the networks something.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 10-04-2007 02:24 PM                        It is a contractual requirement that nothing except the commercial occupies the frame, not even the "weather crawl". The "free program" is not "protected." Louis  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2007 04:55 PM                        A weather crawl would piss me off.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-04-2007 07:09 PM                     I think Matt Groening doesnt have any pull in regards to the bugs. Have you seen the Simpsons movie where they put a bug in the movie for "Catch Who's Smarter than a celebrity - Yes we even advertise new shows during movies now". I also remember an episode from a few years ago where they spoofed the Joe Millionaire bug/advertisement, I can't remember the episode but it was funny.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-04-2007 09:20 PM                        I don't think any tv star has pull re: the bugs, otherwise you would see some shows without the stupid things. Are there any? The stars probably know that there are plenty of people who wait for the DVD to come out (and then buy it) just to avoid looking at the bugs, so why should they be against them?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-04-2007 11:35 PM                        Why would anyone buy a DVD of a show they haven't seen? How would they know if the show is even any good?  |  IP: Logged Shane Cooper Expert Film Handler Posts: 232 From: Little Rock, Arkansas Registered: Jun 2004 posted 10-05-2007 01:27 AM                     quote: Joe Redifer Why would anyone buy a DVD of a show they haven't seen? How would they know if the show is even any good? I have done this on occasion. It is usually shows that friends or family tell me about or something I have read. I watched Sports Nite, The Shield, The 4400 and House this way.  |  IP: Logged

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