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Author Topic: Vinyl record sales increase Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 06-12-2008 12:14 AM                     From this thread. looks like it's time to dig out my old turntable and fire that puppy up again. (Pioneer PL-200 direct drive with Sure V15-[forgot the rest] cartridge.) I have a fair collection of vinyl (a lot of movie soundtracks) and also about 75 Laserdiscs.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-12-2008 05:57 AM                     Martin, I don't think any of the articles poited to having vinyl to coming back to previous levels. It is more of an amazement that there are any sales...let alone on the order of 1.3 million! And a 36% increase in sales in any market is significant...even a small market. The numbers also show that the trend line is definately going UP. It is just plain odd. However 1.3 million versus 511 million (CD sales) shows just where LPs are in terms of percentage...even with the upward trend. It is only .25% of CDs. So small that even when one wants to see a comparison of LP to CD sales (adding LPs into total sales) it is still a mere .25% Then again...I think a market that has to cater to 511 million sales probably has less time and care for the quality of each unit versus one that knows that each unit will be evaluated more more closely. Come on...back when LPs were the norm...who was making records with gram ratings? Sure there was the odd UHQR and such but they were just the niche market...now that LP is entirely a niche market I guess they can keep the quality high. I don't know as I have not bought a new LP in probably better than a decade if not two. When I was buying LPs, most of mine would be in an "audiophile" grade as back then I realized that the typical mass-produced LPs were often lacking in quality. Steve  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 06-12-2008 10:29 AM                     Also, how many times 'back in the day' did you play a new LP, and found the quality was poor. I usually had to fight with the sales people at EJ Korvetts (in Port Chester, NY, who actually had a pretty good record dept for a deparment store) who couldn't beleive a brand new record could be bad. ABC Dunhill records were the worst (Steppenwolf.) I think they actually came with skips.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-12-2008 10:58 AM                        In general the recent pressings I've bought have been of very high quality. Not perfect, but mostly very good. One exception is a reissue of Elvis Costello's My Aim Is True which was horrible, full of crackles and pops. I returned it for another copy, and it had the same problem. Clearly it was either a bad master or a bad production run or I had incredibly bad luck. That's the only total dud I've seen recently. Another recent disappointment is the remastered Creedence Clearwater Revival LPs. While the disc mastering and pressing is exceptionally good, there's a low-level background "hum" in them, from the leadin groove to the runout. It's not the master tapes either -- The hum was definitely introduced by the mastering process, like there was a bad ground somewhere. That hum is not present in other older copies. They're listenable but that hum is inexcusable in what should be the definitive remastering job.  |  IP: Logged Andy Frodsham Expert Film Handler Posts: 238 From: Stoke on Trent, Staffs, UK Registered: Nov 2006 posted 06-12-2008 11:44 AM                     I remember in the mid eighties (having bought my first CD deck) going out and buying a CD of an album I originally owned on vinyl. I'd foolishly swallowed all the 'hype' and thought the CD would sound 'better'. What a shock! The original vinyl recording was far more involving! It had those nebulous qualities of 'breath' and excitement.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-12-2008 01:10 PM                     quote: Bill Enos is that there's nothing on 'em but the mid range ..due to the RIAA curve that has to be done in vinyl mastering - why your preamp reverses the curve to make the signal back to amp full bandwidth. The grooves can't do full bandwidth on vinyl since the tracking properties becomes impossible for the needle, thus the RIAA curve flattens out the bass and enhances the highs so the actual cuts on the vinyl is minimual and easy to track. Then, the preamp reverses these properties back to full bandwidth. True, if you do play a vinyl through a source that isn't RIAA compatible you do have gawdy midrange reproduction. .............................................................. Hey Bill - look what I found the other day in a thrift store: That's a great sounding organ you have in your theatre there in Richmond (cover in great condition in as well as the vinyl-outside of a few tics here and there ....) -Monte [ 06-12-2008, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-12-2008 05:15 PM                        OK - here's one of my recent acquisitions. I hereby nominate it for the most politically incorrect LP cover in history award: To be honest I find her opera spoofs a bit tedious. Her p**-take of Wagner's ring is hilarious (Claude might enjoy it!), but when she tried to get several more albums out of basically doing the same thing with other material, the joke wears a bit thin. But I simply had to have this one for the sleeve picture alone. quote: Monte L Fullmer True, if you do play a vinyl through a source that isn't RIAA compatible you do have gawdy midrange reproduction. And if you try to play a non-RIAA balanced record (all shellac and some very early vinyl), most of the HF disappears. That's why I do tend to listen to digital transfers of my 78s rather than play the real thing (plus the fact that replacement styli for my Shure M78 cartridge are £50 a pop, and they're only good for around 250-300 sides). I transfer them by connecting the turntable to the mike input of my PC's sound card (the mike preamp doesn't apply RIAA equalisation, whereas all but the most staggeringly expensive phono preamps do, whether you want them to or not) and then applying a Blumlein or Westrex curve using Adobe Audition.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 06-12-2008 05:25 PM                        So I take it that nobody can answer my question about the 180g 200g thing?  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 06-12-2008 05:28 PM                  The RIAA curve: Keep in mind the IEC JERKS revised the the RIAA curve to something else at the low end sometime (I think) in the early 70's.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-12-2008 05:47 PM                        quote: Joe Redifer So I take it that nobody can answer my question about the 180g 200g thing? Sorry - thought that was a sarcastic comment rather than a serious question. The figure describes the weight to volume ratio (i.e. thickness) of the vinyl as grams per square metre. Your bogstandard LP from the days when they were mass produced is in the low to mid hundreds (and probably below 100 in the case of the shitty RCA Dynaflex pressings*). The thicker pressings were (and still are) made for audio buffs to play on higher end turntables. The main advantage of 180 g/m2 or thicker is that the groove can be stamped deeper into the vinyl, making the record more resistant to wear and tear over repeated playbacks and enabling the stylus to sit deeper in the groove, thereby reducing surface noise. It's also better able to withstand the higher tracking forces required by some very high end moving coil cartridges (but unless you're as seriously rich as to be able to spend a five-figure sum on your turntable and cartridge, tracking almost certainly won't be an issue). The thicker vinyl makes the record less susceptible to warping in heat or poor storage conditions. But this isn't really an issue for serious LP geeks, who take care to store and handle the things properly. * Did RCA ever press any LPs with both Dynagroove and Dynaflex? If so. listening to one of those must have been truly an ordeal!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-12-2008 06:03 PM                     quote: Did RCA ever press any LPs with both Dynagroove and Dynaflex? If so. listening to one of those must have been truly an ordeal! Yes, I've got quite the few of RCA (Indianapolis) pressings of DynaGroove pressings that were pressed on 80grm floppy "Dynaflex" vinyls along with the original Dynagroove (shaded dog/white dog) 130grm releases and "yea, quite the difference in tembre and quality.. ..Those floppy Dynaflex vinyls - you can almost bend the edges around to touch each other.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-12-2008 07:11 PM                        I remember when we started getting those RCA Dyna albums in at the store -- when I first pulled them out of the box I thought we'd been sent empty jackets, the things were so light!  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-12-2008 08:33 PM                        Another supposed advantage of heavier pressings is a reduction in stylus-induced resonances. How's this for a thin record: Time-Life sent these single-sided demo "records" out in mass-mailings. They might have been distributed as magazine inserts too, not positive though. They were made for Time-Life by Eva Tone Corp. of Deerfield, IN (now called Evatone; note image in lower-right corner). These things were in stereo and they actually sound pretty good. I have another one of these with classical music.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-12-2008 09:22 PM                     Oh wow, I am 99% sure I have that exact same floppy record! That was the first time I heard "String of Pearls" (or rather a snippet of it).  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-12-2008 09:45 PM                        I had that thing too. "Eva-Tone Sound Sheets," they were called. They were bound into magazines by the millions. Usually they were square; the Swing Era was one of the few that was trimmed like a real record. I think my grandfather got one in a mass mailing and gave it to me. I still have a "demonstration" soundsheet from from Eva-Tone that came bound into Billboard. It contained a lot of comedy done by some advertising agency, to demonstrate the various ways that you could use sound to make your advertising "grab'em by the ears." It was hilarious! I digitized the thing several years ago and made a CD of it (along with a lot of other offbeat comedy crap I've collected over the years).  |  IP: Logged

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