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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Remember those 16inch,33rpm transcription discs that the radio stations used (where the groove started by the label and worked to the outside of the disc...) before wire and tape was invented?
Vitaphone sound-on-disc worked exactly the same way, only the shellac was about triple the thickness of a consumer record, of a much higher grade and the grooves were a lot wider. On a visit to the UCLA Film and Television Archive a few years ago I was shown a set of release discs that shipped with a print of The Jazz Singer. They were almost as thick as a dinner plate! There was an 'x' marked in the run-in groove at the centre where the projectionist positioned the stylus. You then ran the film down to the start mark on the leader and then engaged a mechanical interlock between the projector mechanism and turntable. After that if you inched the projector a few frames, the turntable would rotate. The records weren't good for that many playings (can't remember the exact number - think it could have been 15). You ticked off a box on the label for each playing and were supposed to replace the record after all the boxes were ticked.

Even with the massive wooden shipping boxes, the wastage rate of those shellac records being smashed in transit must have been phenomenal.

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Greg Anderson
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http://www.theonion.com/content/amvo/cd_sales_down_lp_sales_up

"If there's a better format for listening to hissing, popping, and crackling than on a cumbersome yet fragile 12-inch piece of vinyl, I'd love to hear it."

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Leo Enticknap
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"I think at this point people are just fucking with the record industry as a whole." [Big Grin]

It would be interesting to know what's been happening to sales figures for turntables recently. Popped into my local Richer Sounds (a chain of discount hifi and TV stores) this afternoon, and noted that they had three or four models on display, from a shitty, £50 USB 'digitise your old LPs' job to the very decent Cambridge Audio TT50 (which I'd have been tempted by some time ago if it wasn't for the fact that I need something that can do 78 and take a universal headshell mount for easy swapping of cartridges).

The last time I went into a mainstream consumer electronics store (as distinct from one which sells only to audio buffs) there was no vinyl equipment in sight.

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Damien Taylor
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It would be interesting to see the sales curve Leo, the graph almost bottoming out then kicking up a little. I would like to know how close Matsushita have come to stopping production of the SL-1200, or for that matter how long they will continue.(hopefully a long time!) As I understand it, production has been continuous, albeit lower at times since the mid 70's.

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Leo Enticknap
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Agreed. At a rough guess, I'd speculate that the bottom of the curve would have been likely to be in the early to mid-90s. This was around the time vinyl had completely disappeared from high street record stores, prices of CD players were plummeting (I bought my first one in 1991) and the range of music on CD was expanding massively, including reissues of back catalogue material. Furthermore, people who were sticking with LPs probably had equipment they'd bought relatively recently, and therefore wouldn't have been looking to replace or upgrade.

It was in the mid '90s that I noticed that you could buy very good quality second-hand records for virtually nothing - as low as 50p a disc in some cases. Most of the LPs in my collection were bought between around 1995 and 2003. I'm not sure how turntable sales were doing then, as I was using a Goldring Lenco GL78 I inherited all through the '90s until two years ago, when a gas man who was replacing a pipe in my flat accidentally stepped on it. He managed to bend the tonearm to around 45 degrees and crush the motor housing, so it really wasn't worth trying to restore. The need for 78rpm capability and easily interchangable cartridges seriously limited my options for replacing it when the insurance money came through. I couldn't find a decent Lenco around anywhere, and so I eventually went for a Vestax BDT-2500. Being designed for DJs rather than home users I wondered how it would deal with the classical and jazz LPs I tend to prefer, but I was actually very pleased with it. The cartridge they throw in has a surprisingly good HF response for an entry level job, too, and replacement styli are cheap and easy to get hold of.

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Charles Greenlee
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ooh, that's too rich for my blood. Mine's a simply Sony. And I had to fix a problem with it myself. The tone arm would suddenly lift off and return to rest, just as if it reached the center of the record, but it'd do it well before then. Dismantleing it, and installing a thin paper washer, like you put under your computer motherboards, under one of the screws supporting the tone arm. Basically I leveled it. But anyhow, no problems since.

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Stephen Furley
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It's not the only old technology to be making a comeback. The little Adana 8x5 inch plattern printing press has been out of production for some years. Adana was bought, I think by Caslon, and they actually considered re-starting production, but found that he cost of new castings was prohibitive. However, they have assembled a number of new machines from spare parts which were still in stock, and have also been refurbishing used machines, down to sand-blasting the castings, and re-building from that point up. Secondhand machines have also been fetching good prices on Ebay. One of our graphic design students recently bought one, and was recommended to come to me to learn how to compose type and make up a forme. I haven't done a great deal of letterpress printing, and what I have done was getting on for thirty years ago, but it seems that I've done more than anybody else still around has.

Not only has traditional photography not died out, but the older 'Alternative processes' are making something of a comeback. There are a number of shops in London which sell materials for some of the processes, and courses in wet-plate photography, invented in 1851, just about died out by the late 1880s, are fully booked.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Charles Greenlee
ooh, that's too rich for my blood.
The only reason it wasn't for mine was because the trashed Lenco was a model that isn't being made any more. So, after doing a bit of Googling, I made a case to the insurance company for the Vestax being the only model in current production which has the multi-speed and standard headshell mount capabilities of the GL78, not really thinking that I'd get away with it. But they coughed up. The one thing I did manage to salvage from the Lenco was the Goldring G800 cartridge. It's got a kind of softer sound with more emphasis on the mid-range. It's kinder to records with slight wear and scratching, but doesn't have anything like the HF response of the Vestax cartridge that came with the turntable, or the slightly better Audio-Technica I'd previously used with the Lenco. The Goldring cartridge is perfect for listening to 1950s mono LPs, though.

quote: Stephen Furley
Not only has traditional photography not died out, but the older 'Alternative processes' are making something of a comeback. There are a number of shops in London which sell materials for some of the processes, and courses in wet-plate photography, invented in 1851, just about died out by the late 1880s, are fully booked.
Please let this philosophy extend to film productions before too long, so that we can start teaching our students how to make real films rather than just Mini DV!

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Bruce Hansen
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Here is a little something from "The Vent" in todays Atlanta, Georgia paper that kind-of fits in here:

One good thing about living in a redneck community, you can get real good buys on classical music.

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Charles Greenlee
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quote: Bruce Hansen
One good thing about living in a redneck community, you can get real good buys on classical music.
When you hear the banjoes playing, it's already too late.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Oh great - 1972: "Dueling Banjos" and "Deliverance" all over again..but, what a great buddy movie!

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Phil Hill
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quote: Bruce Hansen
One good thing about living in a redneck community, you can get real good buys on classical music.

That's hilarious! ...and soooo true! [Big Grin]

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Bruce McGee
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And I DO get good deals on classical albums!

I got an unplayed copy of Bizet's Carmen with Leontyne Price from RCA on its Soria Series label for $1 this weekend. It WAS in the original shrinkwrap.
I have a worn out copy of this recording. I've played the new one once to get a copy of it on reel to reel.
The CD release of this album is shrill-sounding, for lack of a better term.

Found this on the net:

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Bill Enos
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Back whenever they were current I bought a bunch of Mercury "Living Presence" classical records and thought they really sounded fantastic until I found several of the same recordings also labeled Living Presence on 7.5 IPS tape. The difference was incredible...I never played the LPs again and recently transferred the tapes to CD. Along a similar line, the recording Monte mentioned on page 4 of the Liebert Takes Richmond was widely distributed on a LP that sounded fairly good for a pre stereo mono disc. A local man found on Ebay a 15 IPS tape of the same recording, again really high fidelity the equal of any recording made today compared to the muffled sound of the LP. We have a CD copy of the 15 inch tape.

Interestingly, all the subsequent releases by Liebert on the Byrd organ were recorded in the same two week period as was the Ann Leaf recording and all but the Liebert Takes Richmond records sound quite good. The Graham Jackson record was originated in mono. He arrived two days later than he was scheduled to and the recording equipment was almost completely loaded out. The engineers got permission from their office and set up one mike and a recorder and told Jackson he had two hours and to have at it.

If any of you theatre organ buffs would like a CD of the 15 inch tape email me.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Bruce McGee
Bizet's Carmen with Leontyne Price from RCA on its Soria Series label for $1 this weekend
Dang! that Soria/Carmen is on Harry Pearson's TAS list!

That would have drawn a pretty penny on eBone if it would have stayed sealed.

quote: Bill Enos
of the Liebert Takes Richmond
..and you notice that Charles(Chuck)Gearhardt produced this album -whom later was, with Wilkerson, did the RCA/Reader's Digest releases when he joined RCA.

Still a good find though....-Monte

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