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Topic: NY Giants' Plaxico Burress is an Idiot

Chad Souder
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posted 12-05-2008 11:09 AM

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Thanks for finding that site, Anslem! I also look at http://www.carryconcealed.net/ as it has links directly to state statutes. Since 27 is over half the states, I will change my wording back to "most". I appreciate your help.

Frank - to answer your question, no, in most places you cannot carry in plain sight for intimidation reasons. It varies state-by-state. In Iowa, a professional permit grants you this ability so long as you are working - like what Cops and security guards have. You may also carry exposed here while hunting. I was in South Dakota at a gun store a few years ago and all their employees were carrying exposed. I'm guessing that was limited to inside the store. I'm sure some parts of some states do allow you to carry exposed, but I would hesitate to guess where. Tell you what - try it in Brooklyn and let us know what happens. [Wink]

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posted 12-06-2008 04:52 PM

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quote: Tim Reed
The fact he is a human being with a name like Plaxico should tell you everything you need to know. He was probably (and understandably) teased from a very early age.

Years ago a former assistant manager told me that is why these guys were so great at training for professional sports and building their bodies to play the games. He figured by the time kids with names like that were in their late-teens, nobody would want to mess with them. There may be some truth to that when you think about it.

quote: Michael Gonzalez
No one I knew in High School who applied to MSU got rejected. They let ANYBODY in.

I think state schools are required to let ANYBODY in who lists their address from the same state. Most kids who would not make it given a SAT score or high school grades usually flunk out after the first semester. So, indeed, the school looks like a "believer" in you while, at the same time, giving you the rope to hang yourself with. At least this is what my guidance counselor told me after she finished laughing at me when I asked about attending college.

On a more positive note . . . I think we need Bill Cowher back in the league. We didn't see crap like this when he handled these guys in Pittsburgh.

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posted 12-06-2008 05:22 PM

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quote: Aaron Mehocic
On a more positive note . . . I think we need Bill Cowher back in the league. We didn't see crap like this when he handled these guys in Pittsburgh.

Bam Morris played for Cowher and plead guilty to felony drug possession while a member of his squad.

No coach can keep guys with personal issues out of trouble forever. Tom Coughlin, Burress' coach in New York, is known to be a strict disciplinarian and it didn't stop this event from taking place.

These grown men need to take responsibility for themselves.

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posted 12-06-2008 07:42 PM

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Its bad for the Giants, sounds great to me. Glad I didn't waste a pick on him for a WR spot.

I think he could have dropped some cash on a holster for his piece and it wouldn't have been falling out of his sweatpants and discharging in a crowded nightclub.

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posted 12-07-2008 12:39 AM

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Well, that's just the thing. Even if Plaxico had let the gun fall out of his pants leg onto the floor it would not have discharged.

You could take a Glock with a round loaded in the chamber and throw it at a brick wall as hard as you can. The gun is not going to fire. Just don't dump one of those cheap plastic magazines out of the funnel onto the dirt. Those can break.

Plaxico simply made the silly mistake of getting his finger on the trigger when he absolutely should not have done so. It's a judgment call on whether to have a round in the chamber on a semi-auto handgun. In the case of a Glock, it's a bad idea. In any case, you end up wasting good ammunition. There's only so many times you can load a round into the chamber of a gun before "push back" becomes a serious liability. Some gun handlers believe that any time you load a round into the chamber that round should be thrown in the trash if it isn't fired. If it is ejected, get rid of it. You run the risk of a "ka-Boom" -the round simply explodes in the gun without firing the slug. It can be a very serious thing. Some people have been badly injured from such events.

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posted 12-08-2008 11:27 AM

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quote: Bobby Henderson
Some gun handlers believe that any time you load a round into the chamber that round should be thrown in the trash if it isn't fired.

What is their logic behind this?

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 12-08-2008 01:28 PM

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From my previous post:

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There's only so many times you can load a round into the chamber of a gun before "push back" becomes a serious liability.

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Chad Souder
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posted 12-10-2008 02:25 PM

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The use of cannelured ammo eliminates this risk. Cannelured means there is a fine groove on either the bullet or the casing which prevents set back. That's why I was asking if there was more to it, since it is sort of an outdated fear.

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posted 12-11-2008 10:37 PM

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Bobby,

What is "push back" and what is the technical reason that causes it? I'm just curious.

I don't own any weapons right now but as soon as I have time to get the training and take a safety course I want to get something for home protection and maybe eventual get a conceal carry permit.

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posted 12-12-2008 12:27 AM

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"Push back" can occur when a round is chambered repeatedly. The slug can be pushed down into the bullet casing in small increments each time the round is reloaded. Flat nose bullets and jacketed hollow point bullets are more prone to push back. With enough push back the risk is raised for the bullet to simply explode in the chamber, a "kB!"

Cannelured bullets can help prevent push back. However, not all handgun or rifle ammo is cannelured. Bullet packaging rarely mentions that feature (none of the Speer, Remington or Winchester ammunition boxes I have mention it at all).

I'd rather be safe than sorry, so I'm not chambering the same rounds repeatedly. For things like dry-firing practice or loading/clearing exercises it is far better to use a few "snap caps" for those purposes. Snap caps are harmless fake bullets. Good gun stores will sometimes have those things in stock. Web sites like Top Gun Supply have them as well.

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posted 12-12-2008 05:28 AM

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What type of firearm is recommended for home protection? Something easy enough for a senior to handle (that is well-versed in firearm safety, but weakened a bit with age) but with enough stopping power to protect one's home and family?

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posted 12-12-2008 09:07 AM

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If someone has limited hand strength a revolver may be the best choice. Some people have trouble racking the slide on a semi-automatic handgun. Smith & Wesson, Colt and Ruger all make excellent revolvers. I like the S&W 686p, a 7 shot revolver capable of firing .38 Special +P and .357 Magnum ammunition.

If hand strength isn't an issue, then a semi-auto handgun may be the preferred choice for the higher ammo capacity. OTOH, nothing beats the reliability of a revolver.

No one single brand or model of handgun is right for everyone. It's not as simple as, "just buy a Glock." The best thing to do is visit a shooting range that rents out guns. Try out brands/models of interest and see if the gun's grip size and angle feels right. Is the gun comfortable to operate and field strip? Different gun manufacturers have different philosophies on how guns should be designed and what features should be included on them.

I won't go so far as to recommend a brand. But I will recommend not going on the cheap. If you're buying a handgun for home defense, buy as good a gun as your budget will allow. Your life is worth a lot more than just $200 or $300 for some "pawn shop special."

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posted 12-12-2008 11:31 AM

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That's about what I figured. Thanks Bobby.

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posted 12-12-2008 02:14 PM

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quote: Anslem Rayburn
What type of firearm is recommended for home protection?

Shotgun. That's the only choice. Remington makes an 870 in a home defense style and Mossberg makes some with short barrels and pistol grips as well. They're cheap, reliable and far more effective in close quarters than any handgun could ever be.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 12-12-2008 02:55 PM

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Having a shotgun is great in certain scenarios. They're not perfect for every home defense situation.

If someone is trying to get inside my house, I can rack the pump on my Ithaca shotgun and likely put the fear of God into the would-be intruder on the other side of the door. If he still wants to barge through the door then he's suicidal.

Unfortunately, many life threatening confrontations happen at close distances. Any legal shotgun has a long barrel that is easy to grab. Most people need to hold a shotgun with both hands. That can be a bad tactical combination if a bad guy is already in the house hiding around a corner.

It's easier to hold a pistol single handed close to your side with your free arm able to provide some blocking defense against any surprise attack -similar to a martial arts defensive stance. With the gun close to your side (instead of extended out stupidly like they do in the movies) the intruder can't grab it easily at all. It won't matter if he grabs you in a bear hug locking your arms. You can still pivot the gun's muzzle at his abdomen and fire.

I'll also kill an attacker just as dead and just as instantly with one .357 Sig JHP round to the torso as I would with a 12 gauge cartridge. A .357 Magnum or .45 FMJ round at close range will do horrible damage to a bad guy as well.

Shotguns also have the disadvantage of holding only so much ammo. Most shotguns require each round to be manually cycled. It takes less effort to fire a revolver or semi-auto handgun. A relatively minor point: you'll do more damage to the interior of your home with a shotgun than you will with a handgun.

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