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Author Topic: Osama bin Laden is dead Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-05-2011 01:18 AM                        Why would the government come out and say that Osama was unarmed if they were intent on lying to us and more interested in propaganda? Is it because Wikileaks would otherwise find out the real tr00th? They keep releasing information that makes them look worse and it is not because someone else challenges their official story. Instead, it is because they are seeing the evidence firsthand themselves.  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-05-2011 06:49 AM                     Bin Laden turned out to be unarmed, but couldn't there have been a reasonable expectation of the place being planted with explosives in case of intrusion? He had money and phone numbers sewn into his clothing; we don't know if he could have had time to slip on an explosive vest, or find some hidden trigger to something worse. The plan was probably to shoot him in the head all along, just in case of any tricks up his roomy sleeves.  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-05-2011 07:30 AM                     quote: Kurt Zupin When a chopper goes down in any conflict or operation, it is destroyed. True. I remember the last page of any Army technical equipment manual contained instructions for destroying said equipment. That was over 40 years ago when I served. Let's share some simple facts: The asshole is dead. If he weren't would the enemy be vowing revenge? Keeping his body would incite attempts to recover or somehow obtain relics, in addition to hoards of negative feelings that we somehow were desecrating him. Burying him on land, assuming any country would have been willing to accept the corpse, would have resulted in the place becoming some sort of shrine. Disposing of the corpse at sea was the correct thing to do. I hope the water was really deep where the did it. Keeping him prisoner, if he had lived, would have resulted in a security nightmare as would a trial. All in all, I could care less about the minutia of the raid. The important fact is he is dead.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-05-2011 08:59 AM                     The press is making too much of the guy being unarmed. An unarmed person is still potentially dangerous. For instance, some victims of home invasion and murder were killed by unarmed men. The unarmed man merely fought and gained control of the home owner's gun and used it against him. If you have a gun aimed at someone you must be prepared and willing to shoot rushes at you to gain control of your weapon. Not that Bin Laden would have much of a chance in a fight against a Navy SEAL. Even if a gun isn't in the situation an unarmed man can still beat you to death or strangle you with his bare hands. Like Hillary said, the SEAL team probably didn't want to take a chance on the guy making use of a weapon not plainly visible. Remote triggers for bombs aren't big. An ordinary cellular phone can be used to set off a bomb. Guns can be hidden in many places within a bedroom.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-05-2011 09:29 AM                    quote: Bobby Henderson the SEAL team probably didn't want to take a chance on the guy making use of a weapon not plainly visible. I wouldn't doubt that the SEALS had orders to kill.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2011 09:35 AM                     In a clutch situation you react to the circumstances, do what needs to be done and worry about the details later. Every one of us has been in tense situations. Maybe it's a car accident. Do you have time to think whether you should swerve or step on the brake? Maybe you will. Maybe you won't. Maybe it's a projector malfunction on a Saturday night with a house full of people. Do you have time to read the manual and follow all the troubleshooting steps? No, you use your judgement and act accordingly. When you are in a strange house, confronted by strange people with guns there is only one ass you need to take care of. That's the one six inches below your belt. You use your judgement. You follow your training and you pray that get get out in one piece. At the end of the day, the last man standing plants the flag and calls "Game Over." That's the way it works. Shoot first and ask questions later. Besides, we all know bin Laden had said that he wouldn't be taken alive. Well, the flea bitten, camel fucker got his wish. Didn't he? There's no such thing as being partially dead. Dead is dead. The bastard is dead. That's all that matters. I hope they dropped his moth-eaten carcass into the Marianas Trench.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-05-2011 09:39 AM                    quote: Randy Stankey Shoot first and ask questions later. I guarantee that they had orders to kill the target, if that was the order, then failing to kill him (by taking him alive) would mean the mission failed...All others (except for 3 people) were tied with plastic zip cuffs while another was shot in the leg.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2011 09:54 AM                        They fired a warning shot into his head.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-05-2011 10:03 AM                     Tom, you don't know what orders the SEAL team had. Statements like "I guarantee they had orders to..." are silly. None of us were there. None of us were involved with the mission. The only thing any of us can do is GUESS. Your guesses are no better than those of anyone else. Further, if you're trying to paint the SEAL team and the US government as somehow being in the wrong on this mission you're only going to inflame things on this board, derail the discussion into the political zone and get the thread promptly locked.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 05-05-2011 10:12 AM                    quote: Bobby Henderson Further, if you're trying to paint the SEAL team and the US government as somehow being in the wrong on this mission you're only going to inflame things on this board, derail the discussion into the political zone and get the thread promptly locked. Stop reading into everything I say, please!. I simply said I guarantee that the orders were to kill, thats my opinion. On top of that, if they had order "to KILL" then returning without a "kill" is a fail.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2011 10:22 AM                     I don't give a fuck if their orders were to deliver flowers and sing "Happy Birthday!" 1) You weren't there when the shit hit the fan. 2) Osama bin Goatfucker is dead. That's all there is.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-05-2011 11:21 AM                     quote: Tom Petrov I simply said I guarantee that the orders were to kill, thats my opinion. And I'm saying that's not an opinion at all. A guarantee of something being true is a statement of fact. Adding "that's my opinion" to it doesn't change that one bit.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2011 11:23 AM                      |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-05-2011 11:58 AM                        Joke I heard last night on FB: "Going downtown for a cocktail -- gonna try that new drink, the 'Osama' -- it's two shots and a splash of water"  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 05-05-2011 03:04 PM                      |  IP: Logged

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