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Sean Weitzel
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From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
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My windows 7 32 bit Professional on a Dell D620 laptop that I am currently typing this is hands down more reliable that Windows 7 64 bit Enterprise on an HP Elitebook 8530w that I use at the office. Both have the same apps installed.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Anslem Rayburn
just click the Firefox button, go to options, and select Menu Bar
Thx for the tip, for I was wondering on that as well when I upgraded to FF-4 and my menu bar disappeared after the upgrade. ...thx-

Did the tip and got my menu bar visible now...
quote: Sean Weitzel
My windows 7 32 bit Professional...
What I'm using also with my Lenovo G550 laptop here...boots up pretty quick and very reliable .. but do miss my old DELL 6000 Inspiron that I had XpPRO,SP 3 on it...that was a very stable system for sure.

thx-monte

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Joe Redifer
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Sean, did you install those systems yourself or did the OS come pre-installed with the computer? Manufacturers often install a ton of their own useless nonsense that can interfere with the stability of the computer.

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Sean Weitzel
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Joe - Both were vanilla installs to blanked drives from the Microsoft discs.

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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The hardware in any given computer will have a big effect on how well the machine runs. For instance, my office desktop computer takes what seems like forever to boot. I think Norton Anti-Virus has something to do with this, but I think system's hardware and unique combination of drivers is probably a bigger culprit. By comparison, my old notebook computer boots up relatively fast.

quote: Scott Norwood
Has anyone else found the 32-bit version of Win7 to be signficantly less stable than the 64-bit version of same?
I'm wondering why Microsoft even sells a 32-bit version of Windows 7. I have zero desire to choose a 32-bit version of Win7 when I buy a new computer because of the limits 32-bit operating systems have in dealing with graphics. Under a 32-bit OS Adobe Photoshop will only use 2GB of RAM. Certain registry tweaks can allow it to use 3GB of RAM, but possibly at the cost of making the whole system unstable. For some stupid reason a PC with 4GB of RAM will only show 3.25GB installed under 32-bit Windows XP.

quote: Joe Redifer
What does everyone use the START button for?
I right-click on it to access a pop-up menu that allows me to launch Windows Explorer or Search.

quote: Joe Redifer
If it was an application that you personally used, you'd know. The only time it would ever be confusing is the first time you used it, but even then since you didn't recognize it, you'd probably figure it was for the new application you just installed. If you are still confused, I'm pretty sure that W7 lets you hover your mouse over it and the full text is revealed.
I agree. I'm familiar with any application I use, even on an occaisional basis. Icons work. However, the icons need to be designed logically. I also have no problem with hovering over items in the taskbar to see what's what.

One thing I would like to see fully spelled out in Windows is all the freaking processes that are running when you hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete. So many of the items running have cryptic names that give no clue on what they do.

quote: Joe Redifer
Ooops I guess I can't show you because PNG doesn't work on Film-Tech. What the fuck, Adam? It's 2011, not 1996.
Every modern web browser has supported PNG for years. The PNG format has many of the capabilities of both GIF and JPEG. PNG even supports 8-bit alpha channels, which allows anti-aliased masking and transparency. By comparison GIF transparancy is just 1 bit. It sucks.

I'll also throw in a vote for SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) support. Modern web browsers support SVG files. SVG works better in displaying logos and other graphical items. GIF is stuck using some sort of limited color palette. JPEG tends to screw up edge detail with its image compression. SVG files are far more efficient. The file size is small and stays the same no matter how big you scale the image on a web page. And it displays the graphic perfectly, unlike GIF or JPEG. SVG files are written in XML and are supported directly by the HTML5 spec.

Inkscape is a free, open source application that creates and edits SVG graphics.

quote: Mike Blakesley
I've used Adobe Pagemaker 7 for about a hundred years to make my newspaper ads. It's easy, quick and I know all the shortcuts. Then I would convert the file to PDF to send to the paper. But that's the ONE thing I can't get to work on Win7 -- PM's convert utility just hangs the program.
PageMaker 7 only has limited compatibility with Windows Vista and Windows 7. Its version of Acrobat Distiller gets broken by 64-bit operating systems. Adobe Type Manager is another casualty. Adobe isn't developing PageMaker any further. They put all their page layout developement resources into InDesign, which is really a far better application.

I'm stuck in a similar situation. I'm running Adobe Creative Suite 3 Design Premium on my old notebook computer I've kept alive for over 6 years, thanks in part to Sean Weitzel who helped me with a replacement LCD panel a couple years ago. The notebook's obsolete PATA-based hard disc is starting to have issues. When it fails I'm going to have to buy a new notebook. When that happens I'll also need to finally upgrade my Adobe Creative Suite license. Adobe CS3 doesn't work with Win7 64-bit. Gotta move up to CS5.5, or CS6 if my notebook survives long enough.

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Chris Slycord
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Since browsers were brought up...
The only reason I hate Firefox 4 is that, for whatever reason, if I open it in the guest/user account I created, it takes over 5 minutes to open. It doesn't happen in the account that's got administrator access. For what it's worth, the same thing happens in IE when there's a random site that won't work for me in chrome. Reinstalling makes no difference; installing an updated firefox 4 makes no difference either.

And chrome opens in less than a second on both accounts.

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Joe Redifer
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That's just damned bizarre!

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Scott Jentsch
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I skipped over Vista and went from XP to Win 7 64-bit, and haven't looked back. It does take a while to become accustomed to where things are in the new OS, but that's natural with any software that spans 10+ years.

The only real gripe I have with the OS is that folder positions and states are no longer remembered on a folder-by-folder basis, but rather just by the position of the last window opened. It screwed with my workflow something fierce!

Programs and hardware not working with the 64-bit version are the fault of those programs and hardware manufacturers, or the user for trying to put a contemporary OS on old hardware and trying to run old software on it.

There were a few cases of software that was supposedly designed for Win 7 that didn't work well in 64-bit environments (I'm looking at you, Quickbooks), but they finally got that worked out. PDF printer drivers were a hurdle that I ran into early on. Future versions of Quickbooks and Adobe Acrobat fixed that situation.

Windows 7 is such a better working environment than XP was that while it can be difficult to get used to something new, the effort is rewarded in the extra performance that you can get from the OS. Give the OS a multi-core CPU and it knows what to do with it. Give it more RAM, and it will make use of it.

It's also much more stable than XP was for me, but that's probably due to the fact that I had an XP install that was years old and cluttered with lots of droppings from years of program installations and upgrades.

The Task Manager and Resource Monitor that you can get to from doing a CTRL-ALT-DEL is a wonder to behold with all the viewing options that you have. Want to see which program is hogging memory? Take a look and find out just how much it's using. Thinking that you're maxing out the transfer speed of your hard drive? Yep, it's in there. Like to watch your four cores being used to their fullest? Run Handbrake on a video conversion and watch a multi-threaded program flex your PC's muscles.

I would never go back to Windows XP. It's a giant leap backwards for how I work and the programs I use, and the hardware that I have. Your mileage may vary. If I had something that only ran on XP, I'd have to see if Win7 Pro's XP would handle it. Fortunately, I don't have to use any legacy software like that.

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Anslem Rayburn
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quote: Scott Jentsch
The Task Manager and Resource Monitor that you can get to from doing a CTRL-ALT-DEL is a wonder to behold with all the viewing options that you have.
Just a side note. You can access the Task Manager with a right-click on an empty area of the task bar. Quicker to open this way than Ctrl-Alt-Del and then selecting it.

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Frank Angel
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I agree it would be nice if Task Mngr would give more specifics about any executable that it's displaying so you can more easily determine if it's something you want or need running or not. Some files can give you a clue by the file name (for example, HP apps usually have files that all start with HP), but you can always kick the ones you don't recognize and see it the system balks or if they delete without incident. Stuff that an application needs to run will usually be put right back by the app. Same with most of the OS files. Win won't let you delete files it needs, or if you do delete something necessary, Win will say screw you and shut itself down. BUT, it's a way to learn what you need to leave and what can be done without. And yes, it sure would be nice if a simple click would tell you want program any given file that is running is associated with.

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Anslem Rayburn
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Under the "View" menu on Task Manager you can have it list the "Image Path Name" which will show you the directory and actual file that is used to run the process.

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Frank Angel
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Anslem, that sounds like it would be a big help, but I can't find it. I opened View and the tab there had Refresh Now, Update Speed and Select Columns. In Select Columns tab there are a bunch of parameter that it will let you click to add them to the display columns in PROCESSES, BUT the one that I think is what you are talking about -- it says Image Name, which ironically is at the TOP of the list, but of course it is grayed out, so I can't select it. Microsoft screwing with me yet again. Is that the function you are referring to, and if so, what part of my computer do I hit with a sledge hammer to get it to be clickable?

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Anslem Rayburn
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On my laptop, it's called "Image Path Name" and appears after all of the I/O entries almost at the end of the list. None of mine are grayed out, not sure why it wouldn't be selectable. If you can't choose it, look for "Command Line" and see if you can select it. It will display the entire path, as well as any switches used to run the process.

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