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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Scott Norwood
Remind me: does one need separate subscriptions for home listening and car listening, or does one subscription cover multiple receivers? What is the current monthly fee?
You have to have one subscription per device, but the second device costs less than the first. The monthly basic rate for Sirius/XM is currently $12.99 and I think the additional-device charge is $6.99. There are discounts available for paying in advance up to five years and they are pretty substantial.

You can get around the need for more than one device by buying a single radio with various "kits," like a car kit and a home kit. Then you just take the tuner with you. Of course, you wind up disagreeing with your spouse over who gets the radio, so you eventually buy another one. (Sold many a radio to a husband, who would then come back two weeks later to get one for his wife.)

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(Side topic: Commodore 1701's had a wonderful dot pitch of .39 for a 14" RGB monitor ...excellent VCR monitors for sharp playback...)

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C-1701's had S-video inputs before S-video existed. You can easily make a cable to connect a S-video output to a 1701 monitor. The picture is a nicer than just connecting it via the composite video hookup.

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Adding a foreign perspective, from a technological point of view, radio ain't good here, either.

Digital radio (using the DAB system) was launched in the late '90s in Britain, and ever since the government and the BBC (without wanting to get into politics, they're basically one and the same thing as far as this issue is concerned) have been pushing hard for DAB to replace analogue FM/MW/LW broadcasting. What's interesting is that while digital terrestrial TV has now almost completely superseded analogue (using the DVB-T system), the consumer market has proven very resistant in the case of radio.

The reason why is that basically, DAB is shite.

People who just listen to radio for background noise aren't willing to buy DAB because it isn't worth the extra money, and people who listen to classical music etc. on FM aren't going to either, because the sound quality isn't good enough. So it's never achieved a critical mass that is big enough to make winding down analogue radio viable. Crucially, IMO, no car manufacturers (as far as I'm aware) are selling cars with DAB radios in them as standard - if you want DAB in your car, you have to pay several hundred pounds extra, either as a factory option or aftermarket.

Stupidly, I was an early DAB adopter. The branch of Richer Sounds close to my workplace in 2004 had an option on a Cambridge Audio DAB tuner for £130. So I was seduced and bought it, and for the first few weeks it was lovely, especially for the classical music station Radio 3, and Jazz FM. Then the BBC throttled the bitrate for 'minority interest' stations - R3 went down from 192kbps to 64 - with the result that the subjective sound quality went down from better than FM to worse than AM. A colleague of mine bought a used car in around 2007 that the previous owner had fitted an aftermarket DAB tuner to, and reported that the signal was so weak that the thing was virtually useless.

So DAB is clearly a fundamentally flawed technology, and/or the powers that be are not willing to subsidise it to the same extent that they are digital TV. I went back to FM about a year after getting that tuner, and I don't think I've even used it for the last 3-4 years now.

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Radio has gone through a very hard 20 years. Expansion of the satellite stations and other competition reduced income streams. The late-night early-morning DJ’s are gone in all but the largest markets. DJ’s make less in smaller markets than every before many have to sell advertising as well as DJ to have enough to live on. Play list (the music they let you play) for most stations are a 1/4 of what they use to be.

News and Sports talk has exploded AM is all but dead many new cars don’t even have AM on the radio.

I looked at going back into working in Radio and decided no not for me now.

PS hope I didn't just rehash everyone else probable did.

PSS Mike you don't know how much old DJ's hate the satellite radio's. It has hurt local radio beyond belief far worse than other influences on the market. Can Howard Stern look out the window and tell you hey the rain started? NO. Local radio is all about the community Satellite is about getting your money into someone's pocket.

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quote: Ron Funderburg
Mike you don't know how much old DJ's hate the satellite radio's.
Oh, yes I do. We used to sell XM Radio here at my day job. I wanted to advertise this on our local station. The owner came over and told me they would not run ads for satellite radio. I understood and changed the ad to not mention satellite radio. I figured it was the same as me not wanting to run screen ads for TV shows in the theatre.

Then a few weeks later I heard a "Best Buy" ad during one of their satellite feed times. Best Buy was advertising...you guessed it, XM Satellite Radio. So I called up the station, and asked them "WTF?" I figured I ought to be able to advertise XM if our competition in Billings was going to be allowed to advertise it.

Their answer was that they couldn't do anything about the satellite-fed ads because they had no control over that programming, and "no," they still would not allow us to advertise the XM on our ads. I even asked if we could just use the generic line "we are also your local headquarters for satellite radio." (Not mentioning the brand name) -- their answer was still no.

So I did what any red-blooded ticked-off American would do. I pulled all our ads off the station (including the Roxy's) and lived happily ever after. The joke is on them, because their satellite feed still includes state-wide Carquest ads so we get advertised anyway.

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Your right to do so but you have to understand (don't care about the owner care about the DJ), DJ's make less now when adjusted for inflation than in the 80's and sometimes less with out the adjustment. Especially in small markets their is no local service unlike satellite there is no option for local stations.

It is a free market and one must expect this sort of thing but one does not have to agree with it or like it. I still maintain no XM or serious is going to tell you about that tornado that took out your alarm tower 5 minutes before it destroyed your theater. Which is exactly what happened this year in Woodward OK they weren't open you might be.

Dropped right out of the cloud on top of the storm warning systems main site and took every thing out. However, local free radio did warn about the storm. Still I think 6 people died and over a Billion in damages in the town.

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quote: Ron Funderburg
It is a free market and one must expect this sort of thing but one does not have to agree with it or like it.
Actually, no it is not. They are the public airwaves and are licensed and regulated by the Government. In theory, the Congress could mandate all radio be local. Ain't going to happen any more than they will make local operators pay for their use of the airwaves to make money.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Ron Funderburg
no XM or serious is going to tell you about that tornado that took out your alarm tower 5 minutes before it destroyed your theater.
I totally agree. That's why I understood when they wouldn't let us advertise XM. But then when they turned around and allowed our out-of-town "national chain" competition's ads to run but wouldn't allow us, a locally owned business, to advertise the exact same product -- at that point they were helping Best Buy take money out of my pocket, so what else could I do? You have to stand for something.

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Ron Funderburg
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Martin local stations do pay for the use of the air waves have checked out what license for radio station is? Well let me tell you can't afford it if you work in theaters. You pay the government for the use the customer doesn't pay to listen and we have a free market economy as in freedom to market, sell, provide not that what you provide is free to you.

Mike not upset with you about being unhappy they didn't let you advertise. I can see both sides there. I just don't like XM and Serious for what they did to the local industry. Bad companies and not regulated they can use any language they want anytime they want.

With recent supreme court rulings maybe you can local before long.

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Mike Blakesley
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I suspect besides the commercials, another cause is the fragmentation of the music audience. 35 years ago, if a new Bachman-Turner Overdrive album came out I would order 25 or 30 copies of it (in the various formats) and they would be gone within days. In this town of 2000, we might have sold 70 or 80 copies before all was said and done. 10 years ago, before downloading became the norm, if a new 2-Pac album came out we might have sold a couple or three CDs of it, even with about the same number of music fans in town. Now, we're lucky if we sell one copy of almost anything. It's to the point where we hardly stock any new stuff anymore. We have yet to sell one copy of the latest Lady Gaga album, which was a huge #1 hit.

So I guess to answer the question, what's wrong with the radio industry? The main answers are:

1. Fragmentation of the audience
2. Local talent costs too much for stations to afford
3. Downloading + portable players has reduced people's need to listen to radio for their entertainment
4. People get sick of hearing 20 minutes of commercials in an hour's time

Radio guys are putting all the blame on satellite radio, but it's really not satellite's fault. It's a variety of factors. Satellite is only one, and not that big a one. Not everyone has satellite and you'll never have the portability with satellite that you do with terrestrial. It's just that people don't need radio like they used to.

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quote: Ron Funderburg
Martin local stations do pay for the use of the air waves have checked out what license for radio station is? Well let me tell you can't afford it if you work in theaters. You pay the government for the use the customer doesn't pay to listen and we have a free market economy as in freedom to market, sell, provide not that what you provide is free to you.
I have no idea how many mom and pop radio stations still exist, but I imagine the bulk of the stations are owned by the giant corporations that were allowed to consolidate ownership in the last 30 years. Unless they are paying substantial royalties based on their revenues, they are getting a subsidised service from the taxpayers. The greatest is the mini-monopoly they get with exclusive use of the airwaves. They gov't grants them the use of the frequency. They get to use it and I don't, and the gov't is going to enforce it. That's not a "free market." It may be the best way to do it, depending on your definition of best, but it's not a free market. There is no market competition for the use of the airwaves.

They are free, as you say, to market, but they are still marketing within the confines of a heavily requlated quasi-monopoly.

My larger point is because this system is not a free market,but a gov't controlled system, the congress and/or FCC, can pass a law to make all radio local and or locally owned, which would clearly not be a free market for anyone involved, but is still, theoretically, currently within the power of the government.

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mx/sirius did not cause the problem; radio was dead before. Satellite radio is a syptom not a cause.

Back to format changes: Let us pretend you own a #2 rock station. Your #1 competitor is country. You MIGHT buy a cheap second station, run it as NON COMMERCIAL country with the idea of "splitting numbers" that the #1 has. Presto you are now #1.

I know of towns that have several "fragmentors" in suburban markets clustered around a big town. With automated/satellite fed stations, this is cheap. LLouis

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The reasons are numerous on why terrestrial radio is failing. Some of those reasons are self-inflicted.

The music industry isn't in great shape. Ultimately radio survives on music content, right? Too much of newly released pop, rock and dance genre content is basically the same flavor of stuff we've been hearing for 20 years. The crap isn't selling nearly as well as it did in the past. But the mere handful of giant media corporations who strictly control what kind of music gets distributed to radio, iTunes, etc. are so terrified of change that they're willing to keep selling the same old crap until they fail. The music industry was always at its best when radical change could and would happen every few years. That happened on the back of many smaller record labels who could live or die based on that change.

One has to consider the "edited" versions of songs OTA radio must play. SiriusXM has an advantage in that it can play music that doesn't have all the foul language bleeped out of it. People have vast collections of music stored on smart phones and portable music players. Apps like Pandora provide all sorts of variety via user-generated "stations."

Big corporations bought up radio stations all over the place. The first thing they did was cut costs. Eliminate as many live DJ positions as possible at any given radio station to save labor costs. They did that either by using automation or subscribing to a national syndicated DJ show. If the radio station still had any live disc jockeys left those employees have often been limited on what kind of material can be played. Here in Lawton Z94 is our local rock station. Its parent company has changed hands three or four times in the last decade. One of the owners deleted a huge amount of the rock station's music library, confining them to a limited number of tunes they selected. They dictated the playlist (some of it based on music industry payola), but in doing so made the station indistinguishable from any other AOR station.

In order for a terrestrial radio station to succeed, it needs local personality. That means disc jockeys that are worth a damn and music that's worth a damn. The audience is very fickle. If the big company only wants to save money and pack in those commercials the listeners will be only too happy to defect to satellite radio, smart phone apps and their own music libraries.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
Big corporations bought up radio stations all over the place. The first thing they did was cut costs. Eliminate as many live DJ positions as possible at any given radio station to save labor costs. They did that either by using automation or subscribing to a national syndicated DJ show. If the radio station still had any live disc jockeys left those employees have often been limited on what kind of material can be played. Here in Lawton Z94 is our local rock station. Its parent company has changed hands three or four times in the last decade. One of the owners deleted a huge amount of the rock station's music library, confining them to a limited number of tunes they selected. They dictated the playlist (some of it based on music industry payola), but in doing so made the station indistinguishable from any other AOR station.
Bobby has hit the problems pretty good from my point of view (old DJ). They limited the DJ as well other than say the morning drive. "Shut your mouth and just introduce the song cut down on the jokes." Good DJ's never talked a lot but had a personality that a listener got. The jokes the trivia and inside information and the way he presented it helped him establish an audience in his time slot.

The company in the old days (80's for me) treated the DJ with some respect knowing if went to a rival station he would take listeners, listeners they might not get back. The damn labels have been afraid of change since 1992 or so and the music has suffered. Reduced play list (even at oldie stations) have made you listen to the same songs day after day. No matter how much I like CCR's Bad Moon Rising I don't want to hear it everyday and do want to hear Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 once in a while.

On some OKC stations the songs are like clock work with live DJ's same song same time new day.

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