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Mike Blakesley
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Radio is fine if you're just looking for background music, but I'm too picky about what I listen to when I drive alone. So, when the trial period of XM in my pickup ran out I didn't renew it. In fact even when I had it, I never used it.

So screw it, I do my listening via connected iPod or CD when I'm driving by myself. Outside of music for background noise at work, I haven't listened to music on a radio station of any kind in years.

What I would like to see somebody do is come up with a radio station that would concentrate on the ARTISTS from a particular era, and not worry about when the actual music was recorded. For example, I happen to like Fleetwood Mac, but if you listen to a '70s channel you'd never hear a song like "Big Love" or "Say You Will" because those songs were recorded in the 80s and the 2000s, respectively. On my fantasy station, ANY song from ANY era of Fleetwood Mac would be eligible to be played. Hits, album tracks, live tunes...anything would go. And if they come out with a new album I'd feature tracks from that too.

There was actually a station like this on XM before it was swallowed up and ruined by Sirius. I forget what the station was called but their slogan was, "It doesn't have to be old for us to play it; it just has to be AWESOME." So you never knew what you'd hear next on that station. I loved it.

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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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quote: Frank Cox
It's really no more difficult to press play on my phone before I drive off than it would be to press play on anything else.
I have a bluetooth speaker in my house, I use my phone and have it connected in my house and when I leave it will disconnect and then moment I start my car, the bluetooth will kick in and start playing. I don't even need to touch a button on the phone or the digital display. It just start automatically.

I still listen to local stations, but I also listen to a lot of TuneIn Radio on data or wifi. I am going to try out the Skyfm you mentioned.

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Louis Bornwasser
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What is wrong is Clear Channel; that is what they do.

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Scott Norwood
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Looking at the May ratings for Boston-area radio stations is interesting.

WXKS-FM 7.6 CHR Clear Channel
WKLB-FM 6.8 Country Greater Media
WMJX-FM 6.5 AC Greater Media
WBZ-AM 5.5 News/Talk CBS Radio
WROR-FM 5.4 Classic Hits Greater Media
WBZ-FM 5.1 Sports CBS Radio
WZLX-FM 5.1 Classic Rock CBS Radio
WBMX-FM 4.0 Hot AC CBS Radio
WJMN-FM 3.7 Hip Hop Clear Channel
WBUR-FM 3.6 Public Radio Boston University

Country is (much to my surprise) #2 in this market. I wonder who is listening to it and where (and how old) those people are. I would have expected news/talk and sports formats to be higher on this list, too. I guess that shows how much I (don't) know about the radio business.

It almost seems as if the best way to consistently make money in that business is to have a strong signal with a generic, boring, inoffensive music format that is suitable for being played in dentists' offices (which is what WMJX does).

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Louis Bornwasser
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When I was in radio,I was the ratings guru.

Nothing has changed since then.

1. Women control 81% of the channel choices. (there are few female program directors.)

2. On FM if you don't have 10Kw, you are not going to see #1

3. You must be consistent. (no block programming.)

4. Losses in a demographic take 3 years to see, but gains are immediate. (Think Rush Limbaugh.)

That is all. Louis

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Brad Miller
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This Calgary radio station has started cutting songs in half so listeners don’t get bored

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Time is short and so is our attention span, which explains Quickhitz, a new radio format promising twice as many songs per hour as conventional radio stations.

Unveiled in Canada for the first time at Calgary radio station 90.3 AMP on Friday, Quickhitz provides shortened versions of popular songs, edited from three to four minutes down to about half that length, so listeners don’t get bored. Even the commercial breaks are brief, averaging around nine minutes per hour instead of the regular 12 minutes on most top 40 stations.

90.3 AMP says it now plays 24 songs per hour compared to the 12 it used to play.

“A lot of people can’t detect the music has been edited,” said Hillary Hommy, vice-president of brands and networks at Sparknet Communications, a Vancouver-based consultancy that developed Quickhitz.

The format was first launched in the U.S. in September and stations in the U.K. and Australia are planning to introduce Quickhitz within the next six months, Ms. Hommy said.

Sparknet typically provides radio stations with a library of Quickhitz songs and advice on how to implement the concept.

I sure wish some big exhibitor would start editing movies so they could fit more shows in a day and keep people from being bored at the cinema, forcing them to play with their cell phones.

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Gordon McLeod
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must be in the water in calgary
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/24/calgarys-amp-radio-going-ahead-with-bank-it-or-burn-it-contest-after-it-came-under-fire-for-incinerating-5000-cash/

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David Buckley
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I dabble with radio in a similar sort of way that I dabble with movies, in that I do tech work at our local community radio station. It's only a little station, with a coverage area about the size of the big island of Hawaii.

When it's not got a DJ at the helm, its a random player, from a bank of about 30K tracks. As there's been comments about tracks getting played repeatedly, I had a quick look at the stats, my data goes back over about 40K tracks played since the start of June, the repeat winner is... Psy - Gangnam Style" with 12 plays. Fuck!!! Need to have a word with someone about that. There's plenty of tracks with 7 plays, lots of which are tracks worth playing.

Unofficial listen link (ie my private feed!)

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Brad Miller
Calgary radio station has started cutting songs in half so listeners don’t get bored
I sorta heard something about this on the news over a local radio station here
earlier this week . . . . . . but they only read half the story.

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Steve Matz
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Thought back in the early 60's I might have a career in
Transistor Radio Sales... That all changed when I was
Reassigned new territory......JAPAN [Eek!]

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Scott Norwood
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That station that edits songs for brevity needs to die a quick death. It will probably become a huge hit, however....

As for this noncommercial station--

quote: David Buckley
When it's not got a DJ at the helm, its a random player
I actually have no issue with automation like this in the context of volunteer-run stations whose only alternative would be to sign off when no humans are available to run the station.

But for commercial stations with music formats, I think that there is something to be said for having live people in the studio who know about whatever music genre is being played to tell the listeners a bit about what they are hearing, to take requests, and to provide occasional news and weather updates.

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Mike Blakesley
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Random players are bad too....you get too many ridiculous song pairings.

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Steve Kraus
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Is it really random or weighted in some way such as by quality or popularity? I've forgotten most of what I learned in Stats but over 40K plays plucked from 30K tracks, 12 or 7 plays of anything does not seem random.

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Sam Graham
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There's no real randomness on commercial music radio. There's a computer that spits out a playlist based on a clock breaking up certain types of songs (current hit, recent hit, old hit, etc) that's still manually manipulated by the program director and possibly adjusted a bit on the fly by the live DJ (if there is one).

And there's never really been such a thing as requests in mainstream formats. There's just been phone bits or a request announcement for a song that just happened to be coming up anyway.

On my live shows in my last days of radio, we were using BE's digital broadcast software. You could toggle it between "live" (where you manually started the elements) or "auto" (where it did it for you). The "auto" still had a stop button, so even when I was live I'd leave it in auto and just hit stop if I needed to talk, or I'd just turn on the mic when I wanted to talk up a ramp and I let the software do everything else for me.

Laziest job I ever had.

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Mike Blakesley
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When one of the stations in Billings first went "automated" it was hilarious to listen to, because sometimes the voice would be out of sync with the songs. One time I heard "Now here's a great song by Kiss" and a tune by Foreigner began to play.

Before the same station was automated, you would hear live DJs do gems such is "Now, here's a couple of REALLY BIG ones for ya....Dolly Parton!"

On our local station a DJ once announced "Here's Barbara Mandrell with 'You Can Eat Crackers In My Bed'....but you have to leave the zucchini in the fridge!"

After all these years, why I remember these two things is a mystery to me.

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