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Author Topic: what is wrong with the radio industry? Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2012 10:36 PM                        So, the automated stations are really just the equivalent of an Ipod in "random" mode with some added logic for commercial and station-ID insertion? And you could have, say, the Beatles' "Yesterday" play immediately before or after one of the cover versions? Or a Madonna song could play immediately before or after a Clash song? Or three Nirvana songs could play in a row? Wow. Is there at least something that prevents the same song from playing twice in a row or more than once in the same hour?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-25-2012 11:25 PM                     quote: Scott Norwood So, the automated stations are really just the equivalent of an Ipod in "random" mode with some added logic for commercial and station-ID insertion? Yeah, I'd say that's about right...  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 07-26-2012 02:53 AM                     I haven't heard anything on the radio so far out of whack that it would be the random work of a computer, everything seems to be done intentionally. "Request lines" have always cracked me up- back in the 80s when I had nothing better to do, I'd call stations and request songs that I KNEW they wouldn't play. One time I complained about certain songs being repeated, and they said it was because they got a lot of requests for those songs. Yeah right- maybe those were the only songs people requested that were on their playlist already!  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-26-2012 07:49 AM                        I'm always tempted to call up an "oldies" station and request The Velvet Underground or Tom Waits under the pretense "Dude, they're in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame." And no, it's not like an iPod on random. First of all, fewer songs(I think 600 is the usual). Second, very strict limitations and, at least 30 years ago when I was interning at an oldies station, pattern as to the dates. I'm sure now they can control for dates, times, tempo, chart position, and target audience. And then there is heavy vs light rotation. I've caught the same song at about the same time (lunch drive time) three days in a row before. That's planned, not random  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 07-26-2012 09:28 AM                        Stations with DJ's usually use per-selected play list totally automated station may use per-selected or random play. The commercials and station id's and other non music are hard timed in the systems and the selections from a random play list will pic song lengths that bring them to the point of that cut in. Nature of the beast DJ no DJ today's radio for the most part sucks!  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-27-2012 02:26 PM                        I think the random limitations of cheap computers will limit the total number of songs contained. That said, there ARE other limitations. It would appear that XM/Sirius have almost everything available. There seems to be only a few "sets" of programming. In other words, there will be a lot of repetition then those songs disappear. Months later the same sets are back for 60 days or so, then they disappear. If you had 10 or 11 (optomistic aren't I) different sets, you could keep it relatively fresh over time. Louis  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 07-27-2012 02:34 PM                        Louis I have 30 Gig of music and feed the music though the house sound system often. I put it on random (it does have a habit of repeating an individual song once in a while way to close). For the most part though it handles that large selection pretty good. That said it is just one of my four Radio Station packs that works that well. I don't remember what I paid for it but it wasn't cheep. Then again I don't have advertising to pay for stuff so it can't be that much.  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 07-27-2012 03:24 PM                     What about ASCAP and BMI fees?  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 07-27-2012 03:28 PM                        In my house? I don't think so! If you are a radio station you have to pay them. If you are theater you have to. I think it is 150.00 year for a theater but not sure. The owners of the theater's I run have ad's not music YUCK! For radio stations it is determined by the estimated number of listeners. Same on the internet! So be careful if you set up some internet radio station the fines will be 10 X's what the fees would be.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 07-27-2012 06:59 PM                     We recently lost a local AM station. Rather than change, they left the air. They played rock and roll, mostly, and had a HUGE record library that dated back to the late 1940's. All of their on-air talent was LIVE, and many of the records they played, little tape here, had some surface noise. The studio was out below their 3 towers away from town. Now, the record library is gone. I bought several of their albums, and some 78's just to have. Most went to one record collector that I've heard of, but never met. I was listening when they announced that they were shutting down after a good 59 year run, and I was listening when they pulled the plug. The engineers and on-air talent there got a nice severance package from the owner. The final tune? "Last Dance" by Donna Summer... extended version. And then Robert Goulet singing the National Anthem.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 07-28-2012 02:56 AM                     As much as I love old technology, AM simply sounds terrible. It should have died before analog TV did.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-28-2012 06:46 AM                        AM is fine for news and talk. FM talk strikes me as a huge waste, especially if it is a simulcast of an AM station that already exists in the same coverage area. If a station's format does not involve playing any music, it really shouldn't be on FM in my opinion. Call me crazy, but I actually think that sports sound better on AM. The extra noise seems to add some excitement to the broadcast. FM sounds sterile and dead by comparison. Does anyone still broadcast in AM stereo? Are any radios still available that can receive it?  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-28-2012 08:46 AM                        I keep thinking that I need to invent the M.O.O.T. award: Master of Obsolete Technology award. Overblown, too colorful, long ribbon and overly large wax seal. This is for anyone who remembers, works on, or is wistful for old things that are: stem powered, has tubes, airplanes with extra wings, carbon arc projectors, etc. It may help non English speakers to know that "moot" means obsolete or "it doesn't matter anymore." A bit like "tilting at windmills." Louis  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-28-2012 09:17 AM                     I went to the Pioneer Steam and Gas Engine Show in Saegertown, PA just last week: http://pioneersteamandgas.com/ They have a sawmill powered by a steam traction engine. The first thing you notice is how quiet the place is. They are sawing two-foot diameter logs into lumber but you can still hold a conversation. The steam engine barely slows down, even under full load. It only "chugs" a little louder. There is a machine shop powered by line shaft, driven by a single cylinder gas engine. Very neat to watch! Every day at 8:00 a.m., noon, 1:00 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. they blow the big steam whistle. If you get a chance to visit a show like this you should go!  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 07-28-2012 10:38 AM                        Louis I love technology but I would have loved being born 100 years earlier than I was. I love all technology even the outdated, antiquated, and down right past its time. The cylinder phonographs for example many still working, pristine beautiful technology. Lets see a computer function at 110 years of age!  |  IP: Logged

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