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Nic Margherio
Film Handler

Posts: 91
From: St. Louis MO, USA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 12-18-1999 04:45 PM      Profile for Nic Margherio   Email Nic Margherio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My worst booth disaster was when I built up a screening print of Face/Off. I had loaded the first 6000 foot segment onto the platter with no problem. Started the second segment, WALKED AWAY FROM THE MUT, and came back to find that the tape on the tail had stuck to the arm of the platter above it causing almost the entire print to wind up into a dense, tangled mess between the two platters. The only thing remaining on the platter was the first reel. After many many hours of putting the film back together and replacing the platter drive motor (which had burnt out) we were able to use the print for our screening the next day. Thankfully it was a SCREENING print and actually had a disclaimer at the beginning regarding the picture and sound quality! (about it being in unfinished form and of low quality) I learned my lesson the hard way but still, in a sense, got away with one...............................As for the xenon bulbs, are they not made out of quartz rather than glass? And if you are buying Osram/Sylvania bulbs you are asking for trouble. I've had countless bulbs' seals fail right out of the box....until we switched to Christie which are far more reliable and stable. I highly reccomend this brand, especially when compared to Osram.

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Scott Ribbens
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From: Los Angeles
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 12-18-1999 06:05 PM      Profile for Scott Ribbens   Email Scott Ribbens   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, the envelopes are made out of quartz, and not glass. Second, I have never had an Osram bulb seal break, and have always found them to be quite good. If a Christie works best in your lamphouse, then by all means use it. If an ORC works best, then use it, ect., ect... I have seen that certain lamphouse/rectifier combos like certian lamps more than others. So I stick by what I said in a different thread, use the lamp that works the best in your machines.

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Nicholas McRobert
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From: Belfast, N. Ireland
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 12-18-1999 07:25 PM      Profile for Nicholas McRobert   Email Nicholas McRobert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At a 3-screen site, situated "out in the sticks", that belonged to an ex-employer of mine, the one and only projectionist only had part-time hours, due to limited opening. To make up for this, he used to do a few jobs in the small town in which the cinema was situated, one being that he would open up a small grocery/news store for the owner at about 5am each morning. Instead of heading to bed afterwards, he would "sneak" into the cinema to save himself some work later on in the evening, as well as helping himself to "breakfast" (hot dogs and popcorn?!).

On a particular Friday morning at about 8am, he went in to break down the 2 films that had finished late the previous evening, so that they could be returned in the afternoon. Being unable to properly engage the centre-ring pins in their respective holes on the platter when breaking down the second film, he decided to carry on regardless, at a slower speed (just in case!). When he saw that the first reel came off with no problems, he got smart and proceeded to up the speed of the make-up table to FULL...... The film, an 8-reeler, didn't hold for long and soon let go from the platter, ending up at the other side of the room, via the guy's wrist which was broken in about 3 places. Needless to say, he was fired later that afternoon from the comfort of his hospital chair.

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Rob Brooks
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From: NY, U.S.A.
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 12-19-1999 10:31 PM      Profile for Rob Brooks   Email Rob Brooks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
First night I worked alone on platters (1980) I took a disney film "Song of the South" off the platter. One little mistake though, no one ever told me while platter training you must have a ring in the center when taking film off the platter. The entire print helicoptered off the platter and twisted and turned all over the booth floor. So then the owner walks in with some buddies to give them a tour of a real working projection booth. The funny thing is they asked me all the basic questions about projection and no one mentioned why is an entire print on the floor right now. I was there way past sunrise reeling the print in. Oh yes, the owner did notice because he called my union saying I was never to work there again. Fortunately for me it was just a fill in night and not a steady job.

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Stephen Jones
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From: Geelong Victoria Australia
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 12-20-1999 12:18 AM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You wouldnt be the first to do that and you certainly wont be the last Rob,A while back I was training a couple newbies and they did the same thing even though were told to make sure the ring was in place 5 mins before,never seen two faces turn white so quickly before.

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Stephen Jones
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From: Geelong Victoria Australia
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 12-20-1999 12:32 AM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With regards to exenons exploding, its only happened to me once in 29 years of working in projection rooms.It was only a 1.6Kw osram lamp in Kinoton lamp house, it only had 500hrs up on it.The film was Fried Green Tomatoes a full house on a Friday night, walking past the projector and bang up she went followed by the noise of the mirror desintergrating. It took 5min for the manager to appear, Ill tell them (patrons)well be back on in 5 min ok? my reply was I dont think so. anyway the session was cancelled.The osram came good and replaced bulb and mirror as the lamp was still under warranty.Just a quike point I allways make sure there is a spare mirror in any projection room I work in regardless of the cost.

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Joe Redifer
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From: Denver, Colorado
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 - posted 12-20-1999 03:55 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Back when I was a complete moron (some will argue that I still am) we used to get movies each Thursday night from the theatre across the street, which was the same chain. The same union projectionist ran both booths. Anyway, he wanted us to get a print from the other theatre and bring it back. But he also wanted us to remove the ring, take off the leader, put the ring back and bring the print over. What he told us was "Take off the ring and the leader and bring the print over". So we moved the entire print without a ring back to my theatre. Ran fine, amazingly!

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Rick Long
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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 - posted 12-20-1999 05:16 PM      Profile for Rick Long   Email Rick Long   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Lindsay, Ontario, Canada - early 60's -Mid February.

This story was told to me by a projectionist (now retired).

Projection booth washrooms, in those days, featured a relatviely small sink (with an inevitable slow-running tap), O.K. for washing one's hands, but far too small to fit an electric kettle into for making coffee. Projectionists, being a rather inventive lot, solved the problem with a small piece of garden hose clamped to the side of the sink. One simply fit the upper end of the hose under the tap, and the bottom end into the kettle on the floor.

Just as he was involved in this proceedure, the reel-end alarm rang. He made the change-over, and, being ship-out night, secured the band around the reel. His attention diverted, he left the theatre at the end of the show - and forgot about the tap.

At 6:00 A.M., the next morning, the phone rang.
"DID YOU LEAVE A TAP RUNNING LAST NIGHT?" screamed the manager.
With a sinking feeling in his stomach, the projectionist replied that he did.
"WE'LL GET THE F**K DOWN HERE", the manager demanded.

The projectionist got dressed and drove to the theatre. As he turned right onto Lindsay's main street, his car spun around twice - on the ice. When the car came to rest, he looked up to see the entire street leading up to the theatre at the top of a hill, covered in ice.

Fortunately, not much property damage was done, but it was somewhat embarassing.


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Colin Wiseley
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From: Blacksburg, VA
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 - posted 12-23-1999 10:14 AM      Profile for Colin Wiseley   Email Colin Wiseley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My worst distaster was once while I was building up a movie (don't remember what is was) on one platter while Othello (with Lawrence Fishburn I think) was running on the other 2. At the time we had a very old Super Platter system that wasn't too reliable and a broken automation system with no failsafes.

As I was spinning on a reel I heard a small electrical sparking sound and to my horror looked over to see both the take up and feed out platters for Othello slowly spin to a stop while the projector continued to run. Since the reel I was working on was still spinning I couldn't just drop everything and shut off the projector so I had to quickly stop the reel I was building up and then run over and turn off the projector before the brain wrap got too serious and more film ended up on the floor.

You would think that everything would be fine at that point, but it only got worse. One of the other projectionists came up to see what the problem was and having a "The Show Must Go On" attitude decided that we would restart the movie while I would manually spin both platters until he fixed the problem.

Being a "junior" projectionist at the time I said sure and proceeded to spin the platters. This was not an easy thing to do since the feed out platter was on the top and take up platter was on the bottom. I had to stand in kind of a hunched position and keep one eye on the feed out to avoid a brain wrap and another on the take up to keep tension on the film while spinning both platters at different speeds at the same time.

I continued to do this for about 20 minutes until the other projectionist finally figured out that the fuse had blown on the platter and he changed it. By the end I was truely exhausted and to this day I never work on a movie while another is running on the same platter system.

Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg VA

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Tim Reed
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From: Northampton, PA
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 - posted 12-23-1999 11:27 AM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Xenon explosions: depends on how hot the bulb is. The higher the temperature, the higher the pressure is inside the envelope. Internal pressure can be from, roughly, about 100 psi cold, to nearly 400 psi hot (7-27 atm); varying according to manufacturer.

The thing you really have to guard against is the shrapnel. Make no mistake about it, the glass (loose term) can really fly and do some damage!

I know two people who have been standing next to an operating machine when bulbs have blown, one had the lamphouse door open. Neither was wearing protective gear and they weren't injured. This isn't to say safety masks/suits are not needed, only that it didn't happen in these cases.

But to allay any fears, the glass flies (which is dangerous enough), it makes a big noise and that's about it. Other than anti-xenon scare stories, I know of no instance where a projectile has been lauched. I would think there'd have to be a mortar or gun barrel around the bulb to develop enough force to snap a DC cable, launch an electrode, and penetrate heavy gauge steel.

I've destroyed xenon lamps outdoors in the dead of winter, and not heard anything but a faint "poof", which left the bulb in two or three big chunks. In the summer, it's a different story and they sound like gunshots, especially the 1K sizes. The smaller bulbs seem to make bigger pops.

Bulbs have went off, sitting on the shelf; and I've seen a bulb hit the floor and bounce.

The moral of the story: because their behavior is unpredictable in this respect, assume the worst and exercise caution in the handling of xenon bulbs.

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Joshua Waaland
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From: Cleveland, Ohio
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 - posted 12-29-1999 12:55 PM      Profile for Joshua Waaland   Email Joshua Waaland   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I feel your pain Colin,
I used to have to work with a super platter system and got quite used to picking up prints off the floor. One show it would work great and the next it would toss a print all over.
The worst disaster hhmmmm..... so many to choose from. The infamous super platter mentioned above threw a print one time. The print was in such disarray that we couldn't run it the rest of the day. Can you say Spaghetti? We waited till after hours and ran it up and down the length of the projection room, down the stairs, up and down the length of the lobby and back up just to get it untangled. Whew! What a night that was.

Joshua Waaland

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Paul Konen
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 - posted 12-29-1999 01:44 PM      Profile for Paul Konen   Email Paul Konen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not Really a disaster but ingenuity at work. The variac on the speco platter system went south so to continue playing shows, we hooked up the Make up Table and used it to control the platter. It worked remarkably well and all you had to do was return about every 5-10 minutes and reset the speed.

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Johanna Innes
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From: Formerly of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 02-05-2000 03:41 PM      Profile for Johanna Innes   Email Johanna Innes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sorry but I *had* to resurrect this topic. I heard the other day about a truly brilliant booth disaster. Rick -- chances are you got a panicked phone call or two from South Keys about how to fix this!

A projectionist at the big new fancy South Keys cinema in Ottawa had to change a bulb. He did it, closed the door to the lamphouse, and turned everything on to focus the bulb.

He forgot to take the plastic casing off the bulb.

He realized (by the smell, I assume) that things weren't right, shut everything down, and opened up the lamphouse to see what he'd done. The plastic casing was melted all over the place. He thought he could fix it and save the bulb, and started trying to pick all the plastic off. Would anyone like to guess what happened next? You got it, the bulb exploded.

Anyway, rumor has it that the lamphouse turned out okay -- didn't need a new reflector or anything. That's one lucky-ass projectionist. Not to mention stupid-ass.

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David Kilderry
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From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 02-05-2000 09:22 PM      Profile for David Kilderry   Author's Homepage   Email David Kilderry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Plenty of embarrassing stuff to report over the years but much is reflected here already.

My first xenon to go bang? I started with style, as an assistant projectionist I was next to the Cinemeccanica Vic 8 when the 5,000 watt lamp let go half way through a spool of 70mm. Like a cannon going off! I can STILL hear it to this day and it happened 18 years ago!

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David Kilderry
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Plenty of embarrassing stuff to report over the years but much is reflected here already.

My first xenon to go bang? I started with style, as an assistant projectionist I was next to the Cinemeccanica Vic 8 when the 5,000 watt lamp let go half way through a spool of 70mm. Like a cannon going off! I can STILL hear it to this day and it happened 18 years ago!

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