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Bryan Redemske
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From: Cedar Falls, IA, USA
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the worst one i've ever seen was when The House on Haunted Hill opened at our theatre. having run four times, our projectionst came to thread it at the end of the night and found the entire print on the floor. the print was wrapped around the legs of the projector, the platter and anything else around. our failsafe had gotten stuck and failed to notify him when the takeup platter didn't spin (it helps to push the button). due to the relative newness of the booth because of construction, the floor wasn't as clean as it should have been. needless to say, the movie, in all two hours of its glory, was scratched to hell and back. we had to play it in Dolby SR because the digital soundtrack was so bad. he found it at around 11:15 pm and was on his way home around 5 am. ouch.

oh, and someone dropped Titanic while moving it before i worked there. i don't imagine that was a quick fix....

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Ari Nordström
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>>"oh, and someone dropped Titanic while moving it before i worked there. i don't imagine that was a quick fix...."<<

I think they dropped it in 1912, in fact. And no, it wasn't a quick fix. Took them about 73 years to just find it.

Sorry. I had to.

But seriously, seems to me a lot of people have dropped a print of "Titanic" one time or another. Some colleagues at a local multiplex here did that. Apparently it took them most of the night to fix it.

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Ari Nordström
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I wrote...

>>"But seriously, seems to me a lot of people have dropped a print of "Titanic" one time or another. Some colleagues at a local multiplex here did that. Apparently it took them most of the night to fix it."<<

Another of my colleagues at said multiplex says that the above is incorrect. The film was not dropped, it was thrown off a platter...

I worked extra at this multiplex when Titanic had finally left the theatre. There was still evidence of it, though: I found a few frames of it stuck behind the gate of a Victoria 5. They still haven't told me how that happened.


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Reeve Byrne
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Speaking of Titanic, at one of the theaters I worked at was on their last showing of the night for titanic. All the concession and ushers had gone home and the prjectionist, Asst. Manager, and GM were all sitting in the office when there was a loud banging from the offic door. When they opened it about 50 people were standing there yelling that the movie had stopped. I guess the tail of the movie had wrapped around the post and had broke the right at the part when Leo and kate were falling in the ocean. They had to deal with 900 very angry costumers.

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Manny Knowles
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APOLLO 13 was cursed!

Loved the movie, but I had all sorts of trouble with it. Mostly coincidence, really.

Our old failsafes were either not connected or would stick in the up position. Not even one of them worked properly. The old booths are separated so you can't be in the booth at all times; lots of walking.

Anyway, it was quite common to walk in and meet film all over the floor. My brother (manager) and I became experts at untangling film - he had an advantage because he was already quite good at untangling fishing lines...he says it's similar.

Actually, it's wrong to just blame the failsafes...I should clarify that the source of the trouble was with old ORC platters. I hate hate hate them!

When we got TITANIC the owners agreed to leave the print in the big theatre for the entire 4-week booking. The movie stayed there for 6-months, sold out every show days in advance. I'm sorry to hear about people dropping their prints of this movie. I can only imagine what that must have been like.

I have not been around during a Xenon explosion and I hope I never will be.

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Steve Kraus
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Why are prints getting thrown? Doesn't anyone restrain the periphery of the film pack with suction cup dealies or other available high tech gadgetry anymore?

Speaking of Apollo 13, it's going to get the IMAX treatment.

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Manny Knowles
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I'm so there! When's it coming to IMAX?

[edited: never mind, steve...a google search did the trick]

...And is this a new trend...IMAX blowups of 35mm films? In the case of APOLLO 13, it sounds like a good idea but if Disney ever gets around to doing a special IMAX edition of OLIVER & COMPANY then we might have some problems.

About the ORCON platters: what happened most often is that the return platter would just stop spinning and the film would pile onto the floor (no thanks to those evil failsafes). In our case, the prints were not being thrown.

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Jim Ziegler
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Steve,

I don't hav any of the suction cup things, so we usually end up surrounding the print with cores and old trailers and taping them down. Occasioanlly, the print will still manage to work its way out of a gap and toss, or if there is quite a bit of film left, sometimes it just takes the cores/trailers out with it..

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Paul G. Thompson
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Jim, I have done the same things you have done, but I never had a film as persistant as yours to try and "find a way out". Is it a timing issue?

What kind of platter are you using? I know in some platters (CFS, and the older Potts) if the ballast resistor is burned out (the resistor that shunts the points/micro-switch) that machine will have a very nasty whipping and hunting problem.


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Paul Mayer
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I think Titanic in particular had static fling problems; I seem to remember lots of stories of thrown prints with that title. Could that have been due to its print length combined with the time of year of its release, i.e. dry winter (for us northern hemisphere types) air exacerbating any pre-existing static build up tendencies?


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Brad Miller
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Perhaps Jim is in one of those newer Christie booths with those godawful "auto timing" leds.

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Scott Norwood
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Suction cups suck!

With Christie platters, tucking the tail usually works fine on films 6 reels or fewer in length. I usually use the Teco pucks (sorry, no Bevan-poos around here) on longer prints and have never had a thrown print or brainwrap. Maybe I'm just lucky that I haven't dealt with other brands of platters. (Of course, the odd new print will sometimes have static issues in a reel or two and will need to be babysat for the first few shows).

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Steve Kraus
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Scott Norwood protested:
>Suction cups suck!

So do Torus screens. Suction cups might be your only chance to swap spit with a cute female projectioneer!

A platter ought to be designed with some sort of adjustable retainers that move in slots and tighten with thumbscrews. Also, how about some concentric circles printed on the deck surface to help operators precisely center a print that has somehow gotten off kilter?

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Gordon McLeod
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For special venue apps they already have that

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Brad Miller
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"Suction cups might be your only chance to swap spit with a cute female projectioneer!"

Careful what you wish for Steve. One day you and Guttag may end up working a platter booth together, and I don't think you want to be swapping spit with him!

"Suction cups suck!"

No they don't (but yes I do get the joke). This is why you simply MUST tape these things down! Never ever rely on those things actually sticking to the platter by the time the show gets halfway through, much less into the previews.

Still, a simple tail tuck works fine and dandy provided the platters are properly maintained by either the tech or projectionist. On alternating double-ups I routinely splice both features together on one platter and all we do to secure the tail is tuck it. Never had a problem, even when there is only about 2 inches from the edge.


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