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Author Topic: Do moviegoers care?
Rachel Carter
Expert Film Handler

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From: Gloucester, Massachusetts, USA
Registered: Dec 2000


 - posted 01-01-2001 11:47 PM      Profile for Rachel Carter   Email Rachel Carter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Speaking of a "Manager Run" booth, thats what I do. It's very true that it can be hard to do both and you are not able to give as much attention to the little things doing both. But I love what I do, thats why I do it. It's great doing both, your not stuck in the booth but if you need to get away, THERE IT IS!

Anyway, I do believe people pay attention to the presentation of a movie. I have gotten many compliments on my presentation (mostly from regulars that come every week or so). When you are both "Upstairs" and "Downstairs" you get to hear what the customers think of the place and how the movie is run.

Its just really funny that when people say "Tell the projectionist....blah blah blah" and I say "I am the projectionist" I've acually had people fight with me about really being the projectionist and saying, "I know there is someone upstairs DON'T LIE TO ME, your name tag says Manager NOT Projectionist"!


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Jason Black
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 - posted 01-02-2001 12:19 AM      Profile for Jason Black   Author's Homepage   Email Jason Black   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Whoever said that companies should not have *manager/operators* has never worked for one of the major players then.. LOL..

I agree that there THE manager should not have to actually *run* the booth, but THE manager should be able to do all aspects of running the booth, including daily operations, buildup, breakdown, trouble shooting problems, and repair of common problems with the given equipment in the booth.

Of course, teaching anyone all this, PLUS the added duties of floor level management, is a most troublesome thing to do...

I know... I've been doing this for too long.. It's just sad that more people don't CARE about what they do for a living....


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Jeff Stricker
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 - posted 01-02-2001 05:17 AM      Profile for Jeff Stricker   Email Jeff Stricker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul, I agree. Many people are not vocal about presentation problems. They just stay away and wait "for it to come on TV" or visit another theater.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 01-02-2001 09:26 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I didn't say that managers couldn't be in the booth AT ALL... I just meant that a manager shouldn't have to do "his" job and be expected to run the booth.

There needs to be at least one person within earshot of the projectors pretty much at all times. You can't take care of customers, clean theatres, babysit all the ushers AND run the booth simultaneously! (Unless you are Flash Gordon, of course! )

Qualification: I know that there are some smaller theatres where only one or two people run the whole kit & kaboodle. I'm talking about the average Googolplex.


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Erik Schill
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 - posted 01-02-2001 11:15 AM      Profile for Erik Schill   Email Erik Schill   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think a lot of people notice problems but never say anything. When we had "The Cell" one of our projectionists who is a complete dumbass (no longer working upstairs thank god) threateded it off one of the rollers DURING THE FREAKING RUN DOWN!!! so we had this ungodly scratch from head to tail right down the middle of the screen, yet we had the print for 6 weeks and no one said anything about it. Plus on one of our prints of "What Woman Want" the credits were on backwards after the film crashed on someone and I guess their brain stopped working for a few minutes and they didn't line up the soundtrack. The part that makes this even stranger is that it was like that for 3 days, days while I was working downstairs, and our fearless leader Jim Reilly had off, and in this time not one person said anything, and the 3 people who worked upstrairs did nothing about it, when asked why they did nothing 2 said they didn't know (total BS) and the other one said he didn't know how (an excuse that really gets me mad). Yet on the other hand when there is a bad light cue people come out to complain with lightning speed, the tiny things they notice and bitch, yet it the DTS doesn't work they'll sit there for 30 minutes with no sound then come out and ask for a ferund when the movie is over

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Stefan Scholz
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 - posted 01-02-2001 02:51 PM      Profile for Stefan Scholz   Author's Homepage   Email Stefan Scholz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Patrons do notice quality presentations. They rarely tell you. And they know very well,if it wasn't worth the admission. They either don't tell you. They stop returning, taking another way of film reception in the future. Most of this industry has failed to bind people, to create loyality. It's not the ammount of BAD movies we see, they have always been present, it is the combination, BAD film and BAD presentation, which then is preferred to be seen in one's home cinema. In good sound and perfect picture.
And most car stereos found as a standard package on new cars sound better than many screens I know. Is there a reason to see a film in analog, when it's in even in AC3 on free TV?

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Martin Frandsen
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When 70mm left the cinemas so did the trill of going to the movies. I hate going to the movies today, the kids are so rude and bring there VIDEO-MANNERS along with them.

I very rarely see or hear people complaining, mostly with out reason; like this film sucks, give me a refund etc. Why don't moviegoers complain when the picture is framed wrong?

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 01-02-2001 06:31 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, if the projectionist would be on the ball, there would not be any mis-frames to begin with. Like I said before, they usually don't complain. They just don't come back! Would you come back if you saw a bunch of jerks consistantly screwing up a movie? Not in a pig's butt!! (sorry, kind of gross - but it is very frustrating when the theater does not care about what they are doing.)

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William Hooper
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 - posted 01-02-2001 10:13 PM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul G. Thompson said:
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It has been said most people don't complain. They just don't come back!

That's long been an old saying, also: "Bad publicity can't hurt you, but a bad show will."

I think the important point is that audience members don't have the vocabulary or technical knowledge of critical points to verbalize what they don't like. But even if they can't tell you what's in tune or not, they'll sure prefer to go to a professional symphony concert than any school band concert. They'll enjoy one, & avoid the other (unless their kids are in it...)



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Randy Stankey
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I worked in a single screen college theatre for three years. Two of them were pre-FilmGuard years.

We got most of our prints from New Yorker and Kit Parker. Of course, they were all pretty trashed.

I would often find myself talking to people after the show and the subject would come up... "OH! You're the projectionist?! Nice Job!" I really hated to tell them that I didn't like the film because it was dirty and scratched. Nobody really seemed to notice but me.

After the first year I got a Work Study student in the booth. We would sit in the balcony, near the booth door and screen the movie and have chips and soda while we watched. We had a rule... whenever you saw a cue dot you had to go up and check the film. At first I would have to tap the student(s) and say, "Cue Dot!" After a while they started learning how to predict when cue dots were comming.... because the heads and tails of the reels were always FREAKIN' FILTHY! (A phenomenon we dubbed "The two-minute warning")

What I was seeing was that their "mental bandwidth" was increasing as the year progressed. They were learning to see things that they hadn't noticed before.... Without being told.
These were all smart people to begin with, so it wasn't an intelligence issue. That's why I call it "bandwidth".

Then, in the third year we got FilmGuard. NO two-minute warning. Absolutely NONE, except on the worst-of-the-worst prints. I found that some people in the audience noticed the improvement and some didn't. When I pointed it out to the ones that didn't the answer would be, "Oh! Really? Come to think of it, you're right!" They were "seeing" the improvement but it wasn't registering on their radar.

Here's where it gets wierd: The Work Study people started to miss the two-minute warning for about a month. Then they started to predict reel changes again. You can sometimes tell by an indellible scratch or something. Other times you just "KNOW" by the way the film is edited that it's comming to the end of a reel. They were starting to "see" things they hadn't before. Again, bandwidth was increasing before my eyes.

That's the way I think MOST of your average "Joe Blow" movie goers are. They see it but they don't "SEE" it!

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Darryl Spicer
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This is the honest truth. I have had people aproach me and ask if they could see how the movies work. Usualy they have their kids with them and want to show them. So I take them up to the booth and they are like suprised. The first thing out of their mouth is That's the movie, I thought you all used video. So what can you say.

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Rachel Carter
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 - posted 01-03-2001 12:30 AM      Profile for Rachel Carter   Email Rachel Carter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's very true Daryl, its happened many times to me.

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Greg Kristopik
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 - posted 01-03-2001 12:46 AM      Profile for Greg Kristopik   Email Greg Kristopik   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, why is it that whenever a cue for the lights is either missing or late, people notice IMMEDIATELY and run out and act all crazy?

Example: On our print of All the Pretty Horses, one of projectionist's assembled it, placing the first cut approximately one minute into the actual show because she thought it was the attached trailer when there was none (at least on our print). In the two days it was like this, I must have handled at least a dozen complaints about the lights not going down, even though they were to go down a minute later.

Guests notice this, but not an ugly green scratch running down the middle of the screen or bad framing, etc...

I guess if its on the screen, they don't notice it, but if it affects them and their surroundings (lights, temperature) they notice.

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 01-03-2001 02:43 AM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Its funny... We tend to get one customer request that to me says that the person is far too accustomed to seeing films at a nearby Hoyts location.

Customer: Can you have them turn the lights down in *such and such* movie?
Staff memeber: Are the previews still playing?
Customer: Yes...
Staff member: Don't worry, the lights will dim once the previews end.
…and the customer will walk away, looking a bit puzzled…

Hey, all my cue readers actually work, and I put all my cues on the films.
I can't say that the same is true of that nearby Hoyts location.
Heh, I won't even get into the topic of their booth staff's *framing prowess* (or should I say, lack thereof...? )

~GLB

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Paul G. Thompson
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The theater I was running before Regal bought us, we did the tour thing all the time. It was a very effective tool for community relations. We did it for school groups, community groups, boy scouts, and individual one-on-one as well. The results were something we were very proud of.

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