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Manuel Francisco Valencia
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From: Oklahoma City, OK, USA
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I cannot ever recall a compliment, not even from my own staff. They know how hard it can be to be a manager and perform a miracle in booth like Scotty does for the enterprise. I guess projection is just one of those jobs where self-respect is the reward. My father always told me true honesty, loyalty, etc. is doing the right thing in a situation where you can get away with doing the wrong thing and nobody will ever know.

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John Pytlak
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IMHO, the best reward of being a projectionist is having hundreds of people laughing, crying or screaming in unison as they watch a good movie, flawlessly presented. You are the "unseen showman" who transports the audience to a world of entertainment.

I think it is important to actually ASK about presentation quality, either in person, using customer comment cards, or with a telephone/Internet "hotline". And RESPOND to any comments, thanking them for praise and fixing any problems.

Theatres can set up their own "Theatre Quality Evaluation Program" along the lines of the SMPTE or TAP programs, asking regular technically-saavy moviegoers to report on presentation quality in detail, perhaps in exchange for free admission. The original SMPTE form is posted in the Film-Tech "Manuals" archive.

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Randy Stankey
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I've always wanted to make a T-Shirt that says, "Pay no attention to that man behind that window!!!"

(ala, Wizard of OZ)

Nobody would "get it", though...

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Paul G. Thompson
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If you host booth tours, especially birthday parties, watch that little kid bubble with pride and joy if you let him start the show. When they push the start button, hear the ZAP of the igniter, the projector motor and platters come up to speed, and the changeover open and format lights changing, their eyes get as big as can be. They instantly become a hero to the rest of the kids in the group. They'll probably remember that as a pleasent experience the rest of their lives! (Just by telling them to punch the little green button.)


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Paul G. Thompson
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John's Quote:
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IMHO, the best reward of being a projectionist is having hundreds of people laughing, crying or screaming in unison as they watch a good movie, flawlessly presented. You are the "unseen showman" who transports the audience to a world of entertainment.
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Yes, John. You are right on the money. This profession we are in is a thankless job.
What you said is the only reward we get for busting our butts to take the extra step to make sure it is done right. Actually, there is another reward if you think of it. That is PRIDE in yourself that you are a professional and performed as a professional.

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Brad Miller
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A cautionary word of warning to people giving booth tours to youngsters. Make sure to pull the parent aside and let them know of the hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment and films in the booth and for them to make sure that none of their kids touch anything for fear of costly damage or personal injury. That usually makes them sharpen up and keep their kids in line. Can anyone picture how the 5 year old kid's head feels after climbing under a SPECO platter while it is running? WHAM! I generally limit the tours to a dozen kids. I'll do three in a row if necessary, because it just isn't worth a kid tripping over the film and shutting down a show or hurting themselves.

Also, I generally try and make it a point to run the films onto the bottom platters on the show before a tour. It prevents the kids from trying to grab hold of the platters to pull themselves up to see what's going on.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Yes, Brad. We take very much caution about these things for the reasons you cited. We keep them well clear of the platters, and the parents are part of the tour. I can assure you that when we did that, everyone, including the parents are very closely supervised.


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Gordon McLeod
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Also check to make sure that the theatres liability coverage includes non employees in the booth

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Paul G. Thompson
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Good point, Gordon.

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Randy Stankey
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Typically, whenever I've done tours it was almost always when it wasn't "run-time". On the few occasions when we did let people in we made sure the people knew that there were shows going and that it was NOT normal to let people in the booth during those times.

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Jesse Skeen
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I can assure you that many shows do get run all the way through with the lights up because of a missed cue, and nobody complains...

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Antonio Marcheselli
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John,

I agree with you! Is exactly what I feel when I have my screen full of people...

I think that many customers cannot understand the technical issues "behind the window" (Gordon, I would like to have that shirt but my windows are very very little... ) and they will left the theater without any comments about presentation.
But I think that they'll remember a good presentation when go to see a bad prsentation.

"Hey, but there weren't that scratches and dirty at xyz theater last week, and the sound was far better..."

They'll probably say nothing at the staff but next time, watching the newspaper searching for a film they'll pay more attention for the theater...

Antonio

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Evans A Criswell
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I think the average person does not notice that much difference in presentation quality until they have experienced a variation in quality. People who only go to the theatre 3 or 4 times a year probably don't notice much unless something major goes wrong.

Back in 1997 when I suddenly experienced several major problems on successive visits to one particular theatre, after having fairly good luck on most visits everywhere from 1982 to late 1996, I began to wonder if my perception of quality at various theatres was more subjective or objective, so I started keeping score.

Keeping track of presentation problems has been very educational because it forced me to learn a lot of the technical aspects of film presentation. Keeping notes also made me realize that the quality of presentation varies much more widely from theatre to theatre than I originally thought.

I'm one of the customers that will mention problems to the management if I feel the management cares. For example, at Regal River Oaks Cinema in Decatur, I know that manager cares. For example, one time, I noticed a small amount of shutter ghosting at the bottom of the image. I said to the manager on the way out, "I noticed a little shutter ghosting at the bottom of the image in number 3". He replied "I'll adjust it." I have noticed that the minor problems I've pointed out have been remedied on future visits to the theatre. This is a sign of excellent management.

On the other hand, If such problems are mentioned and they remain on future visits, or I notice general sloppiness most of the time, I won't bother telling the management or staff anything, and will put in a comment card through Regal's WWW site (if it's a Regal theatre). For example, at Madison Square 12 in Huntsville, I use comment cards and usually don't bother saying anything to the staff, because I already know what to expect most of the time, and know that problems tend to remain for long periods of time.

Based on my observations, other theatre customers don't seem to care about quality as long as problems aren't so obvious that even a child would notice them (bad focus, frame line visible in picture, badly distorted sound or no sound, etc.).

I feel that I care about presentation quality more than 98 percent or more of the customers out there. Even my other technical friends that I work with don't care much. A friend of mine just saw "Miss Congeniality" and I asked him, "Was it flat or scope?" and he replied "I have no idea." I asked him because I wanted to know, since nobody posted the details in the info and trailer attachments forum.

In summary:
Does the average customer care? No, not unless there is a fairly major problem.

Ultimate example: A manager told me that at a Lousiana location, a showing of Titanic was played with a flat lens -- the ENTIRE movie -- and nobody complained. The staff noticed it about 15 minutes before the end of the movie and they all agreed not to change it since nobody seemed to care.

Evans A Criswell

Huntsville-Decatur Theatre Info and Projection Quality Ratings (on this site, notes are available for every movie seen at all local theatres):
http://home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/theatre/



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Antonio Marcheselli
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Chris,

At a theater in Florence a friend of mine showed "Mission to Mars" (2.35:1) with masking for 1.85 and noone complained.

I showed the first 10 minutes of reel 4 of "La cena dei cretini" (A french film) at a volume of 3.5 instead of 7.5. Was for my mistake but is it possible that anyone noted that the volume was suddenly lower??? I'm talking about 3.5-7.5...

Antonio

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Antonio Marcheselli
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Chris=Evans... Sorry!

Antonio

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