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Topic: Questions about unions
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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-26-2001 01:12 AM
Ken, I expect you will get flamed severly for that last post. Guys, go easy on him .What you have to understand is what it was like when unions started. The average workday was 12 hours. The average workweek was 6 days. Sometimes, people were forced to work 'swing shifts,' in other words work 24 hours straight. Since government would take no regulatory action in these matters, workers had to organize to be able to negotiate better conditions-collective bargaining. Needless to say, the factory managers were not keen on this idea. Armed thugs and many times the police would come in and 'break a few skulls' with clubs to disperse picketers. Many times the national gaurd was even called out and fired upon the picketers. Death was not an uncommon thing on the picket lines. This was the struggle for workers rights in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Now enter the projectionist union. I am not certain how and when it started, I'll let someone else fill in those details. Naturally early projectionists did not have to contend with 'swing shifts,' but I imagine the hours could be atrocious. To understand the working conditions, you must understand how film was shown back then. There were no platters, all movies were shown on a change over system. There were no xenon bulbs, light was provided by carbon rods that had to be changed after every reel. Most importantly, the film had a different chemical composistion than modern film. This film-Nitrate film to be exact-was highly combustable. If the projector stopped or jammed with the film in front of the light for just an instant it could burst into flames. Nitrate film is self-combusting, it does not need oxygen to burn since it gives off oxygen as a byproduct of combustion. This made any nitrate film fire very dangerous. SO all those factors meant that the projectionist had to be in the booth all the time. Can you imagine being in a little box not much bigger than what was needed to fit in all the equipment for 10 hours with no air conditioning? Thus, the projectionist union. For many years things were good in unionland. Running projectors back then was not an easy task. One had to be an expert in mechanical and electrical matters, being able to do repairs on a daily basis. And then something terrible happened, TV. When TV became big in the 50's, theatres saw their attendance drop by 50%. The golden age of movies was over. Thus began the 'decline.' I don't know too much about this and what I do know is second hand, but relations between owners and the union declined steadily. When automation and platters came about, it spelled doom for the union. When owners realized they could 'get by' paying a guy $3 an hour to do the job of a $20 an hour union guy, the union was dumped. Who's fault the souring of relations and ultimate split was will depend on who you ask. I will not comment since I have no personal experience to relate and there are plenty of people here who do.
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Gerard S. Cohen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 975
From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 09-26-2001 04:39 PM
Gordon, you wrote <<Also the secondary teachers union bussed kids to screenings at picketted theatres, over theatres running the same films that contracts were still in force at...>> I just received an email detailing hostility from "educators" during the U.A. lockout in California some years ago. I'm inclined to think these groups were not unions, but NEA groups. The National Education Association is the largest such group in the U.S., but it is NOT a union! Since it includes supervisors (principals,school boards and other supervisory and administrative personnel) it cannot engage in real collective bargaining and has been hostile to unions for a long time. Union members call it a "company union." The NEA calls itself an Association, and is careful to avoid the term "union", which is a distinction observed by US labor legislation. The American Federation of Teachers (AFT) is an AFL-CIO UNION. Its state divisions and municipal locals fought for and won organizing and collective bargaining rights through long and costly strikes. In New York City, the local, The United Federation of Teachers (UFT) has bailed New York City out of near bankruptcy, along with other municipal unions. And last week, after the terrorist attack disaster, it once again pledged huge sums from its pension plan for disaster relief and reconstruction. [This is only one small evidence of how the hard-won right to organize into unions has helped build our economy, our high standards of living, and the rise of the working middle class.] I do not think it was members of a teachers' UNION who crossed your picket lines. --Gerard
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Will Kutler
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From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 09-26-2001 04:53 PM
Personally, I do think that Labor Unions are good. Just look at why they came into existance in this country in the first place!IATSE can be a an excellent way of insuring qualified technicians in the booth, excellent source for apprenticeship programs, insuring honest wages and benefits, etc. On the other hand, IATSE members (and any union for that matter) must be willing to do an honest days work for these type of wages! Century Theaters has a relatively new theater in Chicago. Now Century Theaters is definately anti union, but I did hear that they were going to try and negotiate with IATSE. IATSE refused to negotiate so Century gave up and went with non union projectionists. Anyone know/hear about this? In my previous post, I forgot to add that IATSE did strike in Tucson in the late 1970s-early 1980's. Some walked off the job. The only reason some screens did not go dark was because 1 IATSE member left the Union and went to work directly for the theater company. He trained the nonunion kids, and the theaters were prepared for the union strike!
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Gerard S. Cohen
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 09-27-2001 08:48 PM
Ken: You ask, <<If soneone wants to open a non-union theatre, why can't they just let them do their job?>> Let me preface my answer by saying we have literally hundreds of Local 306 (NYC) men and women now retired and living in Florida on pensions earned working union in New York. They constiture our Retired Group, living in homes bought with wages and pensions, some in retirement communities, and some vacationing in a hotel in Miami operated by the International Alliance of Theatrical and Stage Employees (IATSE, our parent union.) They write back to us horror stories about seeing projection operators in Florida earning little above minimum wage, and less per hour than the price of a single movie ticket! If we allow theatres to pay Burger King wages, all theatres will want such cheap employees. Who would support our families, send our kids to college, and provide for our old age in beautiful states like yours (or even our own)? I hope when Florida political, social and economic conditions improve, someday your projectionists will be able to enjoy the standards of living we have worked so hard to achieve, and maybe be able to retire in, or vacation in, a fine hotel a state of your choice, including Florida and New York. (Unions are a first step!) Gerard
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