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Topic: Questions about unions
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-30-2001 02:24 PM
Steve, you make some good points. However, the vertical integration of today is different than that of yesteryear. A multiplex might be related to a production arm, but there is a wall between them. A multiplex might play product from that arm, but it also has to play the product of other distributors, and any difference in quality of presentatin would have those competitors yelling "Foul!" The focus of the owners/CEOs today tend more towards satisfying the board and stockholders than building their personal image and egos. This wasn't the case in the iron-fisted control of the past.Gas stations are an odd situation. Gas stations were a natural for self-service once the safety issues were substantially addressed. Most guys can figure out that a nozzle has to fit into a hole before good things can happen. Restaurants are sometimes vertically integrated. We have a Burger King near us that is a company store, and the headquarters are not that far away. The service and cleanliness is much better than many of the franchise stores. It isn't always the case, but sometimes vertical integration does work, even in today's environment. I agree in principle that there is a need for unions, but I have problems that neither companies nor unions seem to admit much responsibility to the customer, especially when under duress. It seems to me that in the inevitable squabbles between union and management, the odd man out is often the customer, who suffers disruption of services, taunts from crossing picket lines, poor quality or even sabotaged products, and surly attitudes by both management and union. In extreme cases, the government sometimes has to step in and operate as ombudsman for the customer and general public, which is not a particularly good situation for anyone. These are the hazards and pitfalls of our society. They aren't pretty , but I guess the system works better than the socialism of France and some other countries. I still think that it takes someone with both an overview of the situation and the ability to make changes to make any line of production work to provide the best possible product.
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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 10-02-2001 04:24 PM
I am a person who cherishes competitency above senority and politics!I have seen one too many occasions where the most undesireable person is retained--or in a position of authority simply because of senority or an ability to kiss up to da bosses. High senority people tend to think that they are untouchable because of senority--and it has also been my experience that these type of people also get very lazy and detrimental to quality job performance because senority makes them untouchable! I have also seen the most incompetitent and stupid people get promoted simply because they know how to kiss-up! I have had the pleasure of working with people who are anything but PC! The majority of these people have a high level of ethics and are very straight forward and blunt--but honest. Unfortunately, many of them have failed to be promoted simply because playing politics and kissing up is more important than competitence! As far as IATSE is concerned: one common complaint that I have heard from theater owners revolves around print deliveries. Shipper drops prints off at the box office. IATSE projectionists would not go to box office to get prints. Instead they would wait for theater floor personnel to deliver prints to the booth door, and projectionists would crack open the booth door, grab prints and slam door in theater personnels faces! If floor personnel failed to bring prints to the booth door, then the print would not be built and would not open on its appointed day ie Friday--an this supposedly happened many times!
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Gerard S. Cohen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 975
From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 10-03-2001 09:57 PM
Will: I don't think projectionists should carry prints from the lobby to the booth, and I'm glad the IATSE forbad it during my projectionist years. I once ran a 70mm print with a shipping weight of 1200 lbs. At the RKO Keith theatre in Flushing, NY (since demolished) the original booth was up a staircase of 97 steps through two balconies. At a theatre on 42nd St. the operator had to climb a rusty ladder up through a trapdoor into the booth, then help the porter raise the print by pulling on the rope of the block & tackle, a sort of compromise. Unless we breed a generation of projectionists the way the Japanese, normally short of stature, create 350 lb sumo champs, or the French,who create a beefy class of cow-carcass-carriers for Les Halles, I can't see wearing out your craftsmen/women with brutal labor even before they begin their precision work. I've had two hernia surgeries and am due for a third, even without having to carry canned film prints. Too little consideration is given in retrofitting old theaters into cinemas, and even in designing new theatres, to the efficient delivery of films to the booth, and too few managements develope reliable and efficient delivery systems utilizing their personnel. Gerard
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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 10-03-2001 10:53 PM
There is only one theater in So AZ using IATSE projectionists, and that is the DeAnza Drive in. He told me the following. 4screens 8 shows a night 6 days a week. Sound broadcast over FM radio. Anything over 7hrs per night=overtime. Build ups and tear downs are seperate extra fees. Overtime projector maintenance is seperate fees. Gets paid for dry runs if necessary. Full benefits, medical/dental/glasses, and retirement. I was responsible for 10 screens per day in a all THX all digital 20 plex running no less than 30 shows during a 6-8hr shift. I described my daily responsibilities in "Shit Hot Presentation". The fact is that I was responsible for much much more than the IATSE guys, and my salary/benefits came no where near matching theirs! Keep in mind that I was a projectionist at this theater and that I never worked the floor! And ya, I know what it is like to schlepp prints around! Personally, I feel that if a person is going to collect those type of wages, then they better be willing to be a team player and do a little extra to help out, and not hide behind what they will and will not do as per Union Contract. Ya, there were several times when I helped clean auditoriums between shows--if I could spare the time--because floor staff was short handed. And there were several times when floor staff helped me out schlepping and moving prints. One hand helps the other to make a successful presentation. I know that there are IATSE projectionists out there who are older guys who might have trouble lugging stuff around. So be polite and ask for help--hell, are they totally incapasatated? With these type of wages, the excuse of prints not being built because floor staff did not deliver to the booth is BS! Why can a IATSE guy not go downstairs, see if prints were delivered, and ask for help in getting them up to the booth?
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