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Topic: My Christmas Wish - A Splicer?
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Brad Miller
Administrator
Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-26-2001 04:07 AM
Philippe, the one thing you must understand is that no two people will agree exactly the same on every piece of equipment found in a projection booth. This is due to many reasons, but primarily because everyone's standards are different. That being said, make me a splice with your fabulous CIR splicer and mail it to me. Then I'll make you a splice on my fabulous Neumade and mail it to you. You won't be blabbing about your CIR any longer. I've seen them and worked with them. Sure they are cheap, but you get what you pay for...the splices are NOT as good as a Neumade is capable of making.I think many people are perfectly happy with the various junk splicers on the market (and for that matter, misaligned good ones). So long as it makes a splice that runs through the projector, many people are happy. Unfortunately a quality splice is somewhat like a projectionist who has been running a booth for 10+ years who gets to see what a film cleaner can do for his presentation for the first time. Most are shocked and suddenly realize just how dirty their "perfect presentation" they went around boasting about really was. I feel this is the same thing happening here with the splicers. It all just depends on how picky you are and how willing you are to try other pieces of equipment and change your ways when a better method comes along. I noticed you said that a 30 year old splicer is still functioning "perfectly". I have a hard time believing that regardless of manufacturer. I think you are just not as picky as Joe is. As far as Joe's review, I'll sign my name beside his on every word he wrote in it right here.
CIR splicers are crap.
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-26-2001 05:37 AM
Philippe-I'm sorry I am not smart enough for you. As you pointed out, my views are stupid. Of course I'd like to hear exactly what you thought was stupid that was written in the review. Was the fact that the CIR splicer does not punch out 100% of the perferations 100% of the time despite repeated cleaning my fault? Am I supposed to clean the splicer and sharpen the blades between each and every splice? My CIR splicers saw A LOT of use. Four of them existed in a 16-plex assembling many many prints. If they were so orgasmically incredible, why did we fight to get Neumade splicers? You can't say we weren't using them correctly... despite what you say I am a very smart guy and the others in the booth weren't exactly morons either. The splicers were cleaned about every 1 to 1 and a half weeks. Did CIR just choose to ship me 4 (four) bad ones for no reason? I stand by my review.
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Pete Naples
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1565
From: Dunfermline, Scotland
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 11-26-2001 10:45 AM
Well I've read Joe's review and I must say I'm quite surprised. I've used CIR splicer for ten years now and genuinely have never had the problems mentioned. Although most of my experience is with the older versions which do not have the moveable pins arrangement. We got Neumade's for an 8-plex I installed last year, and those are good pieces of kit, although it took the lads a little time to get used to it. Very capable of producing good splices once set up properly. THe Strong however, was another matter. We had seven of those things and everyone would not cut the tape from new, and even after hours of tweaking they don't cut close to the edge of the film, leaving a sticky mess wich causes film to come of the Cat 701's, as I mentioned earlier. Those sites now use the Strong splicers as doorstops, and bought themselves some CIR's. The CIR in 70mm is a good piece of kit too, I think I'd be right in saying it's all made of ally, save for the blade, so there's less risk of damaging mag tracks.
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John Walsh
Film God
Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999
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posted 11-26-2001 10:56 AM
I like the Nuemade, but I agree that the CIR would probably work well if (like Dave M. mentioned) if only one person used it all the time.But, that usually does not happen in the real world. I would get excellent splices from the CIR for about three months; after that, the quality went way down. I would have to adjust and clean it. On the other hand, the Nuemade made good splices, consistently, for a about a year. A better trade-off, I feel.
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Paul Harnden
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 107
From: Chandler, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 11-26-2001 07:52 PM
In the 7-plex I recently worked at, we had these really chinsy pieces of crap, i forgot the name, they always fell apart. Later on when another projectionist joined on he had our tech bring in his neumade, and i fell in love. Like Gerard pointed out on the first page, the D-handle is helpful when you have to carry something in your other hand while on your way to a wrap or something. Joe is also right though when it comes to dropping them. I broke the handle on my old one when I mistakenly placed it on an engaged platter and it shot it across the room (sorry I wasn't thinking at the time, and I doubt I'm a very smart projectionist). I haven't heard of or seen a strong splicer, but I will definitely check them out. Thanks all, I love this site!!!!
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James R. Hammonds, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 931
From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 11-26-2001 08:35 PM
Paul, how long have you been working in the booth?
Especially if youre new, you shouldnt be too hard on yourself.
Everyone makes mistakes, but the important thing is to learn from them.
I wasnt the smartest projectionist when I started either.I broke 2 splicers once by leaving them on an engaged platter.
I forgot to start movies.
I started the wrong movies.
I started the wrong projector.
I dropped a print because I thought i could movie it by myself to another platter three feet away even though it didnt have a center ring.
I put the fifth reel of CITY HALL on backwards. I should add these things to the MOST PAINFULL MISTAKE thread. These things didnt happen often, but most of them happened when I was new, and I learned from them.
Thats the important thing.
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