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Topic: My Christmas Wish - A Splicer?

Philippe Laude
Film Handler

Posts: 79
From: Longueville, Belgium
Registered: Jul 99

posted 11-27-2001 02:42 AM

Brad, you must be right, the Neumade splicer must be a very good one, but I've never had the luck of working with it. With regards to the 30 years old CIR splicer, it has been well maintained and some worn parts have been changed.(you can get every spare part easily).I have also seen CIR splicers in very poor condition, doing an awful job.
Besides I think there is a confusion between the genuine CIR splicer and three times cheaper knock-offs.
Besides I can't stand up against all your arguments my knoledge of english being too poor.
Joe,I'm afraid you are partial in favour of north american made products.

Philippe

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 11-27-2001 03:46 AM

How did you come to that conclusion?

To be truthful, I prefer Japanese automobiles 10 to 1 over American automobiles for the most part. I certainly prefer Japanese programmed videogames compared to US or British programmed games (we are awful at programming anything fun). Perhaps something was lost in the translation of my review? Trust me, if it was made in the US, I would have given it the same review.

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Serge Bosschaerts
Film Handler

Posts: 70
From: Schoten, Belgium
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 11-27-2001 04:05 AM

I also have worked with the Neumade splicer and have the 70mm version here in use.
The're also very good but in the end I think it all comes down to witch splicer you're used to working with.
Even though I admit that the Neumade set-up of putting the film in the middle for splicing against the 2/3 & 3/2 perforation set-up from the CIR is easier in use.
I agree with Philippe that CIR is very easy for obtaining parts over here in Europe.

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Richard Fowler
Film God

Posts: 2392
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 11-27-2001 09:13 AM

The Neumade splicer is imported from Japan ( Marusho LTD )..The CIR/CIRO/Guillotine knock offs are available from China, India, and Eastern Europe.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products www.tvpmiami.com

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Joe Beres
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 606
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 11-27-2001 12:00 PM

Not that i need to weigh in here, but I love my Neumade. It makes perfect splices with ease. It has been dropped a few times over the years, and still works perfectly. I think it is well designed and well made.

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John Hazelton
Film Handler

Posts: 42
From: Oakland, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 11-28-2001 01:42 PM

When I bought my splicer, I was down to the Neumade and the Catazzo Model 3. I went with the Catazzo M.3 because of the ease of use and the amount of control afforded the user.

I've used both the Catazzo and the Neumade extensively, and find that they both perform well. It just depends on what you prefer. I like the handle on the Neumade, but have found that I can also easily carry the Catazzo with one hand.

I think Philippe Laude is exactly correct when he says, "Besides I think there is a confusion between the genuine CIR splicer and three times cheaper knock-offs."

The negative comments I'm seeing here all relate to the crappy knock-offs that look superficially like a Catazzo, but are really cheap garbage. I highly recommend the genuine Italian made splicer, manufactured by Officine Meccaniche. I like the Model 3 Special. This is not a cheap splicer. It sells for about as much as the Neumade.

The $200 knock-offs have bad alignment, and unforgivably, plastic handles which can break and cause injury. Stay away from those!

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John Hazelton
Film Handler

Posts: 42
From: Oakland, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 11-28-2001 01:45 PM

Ken Lackner asked:

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Speaking of rubber feet, there is only one thing I don't like about my CIR splicers. No rubber feet. The "economy splicers" I sued had a cover on the bottom to catch the chads and rubber feet on the bottom of the cover. The CIR is open on the bottom. Anyone have any ideas on how to correct that?

The splicer should have come with a skid plate that covers the bottom. It also has 5 rubber feet. I imagine you can get one from a place that deals in replacement parts.

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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 11-28-2001 02:32 PM

All this talk about splicers.

Keep in mind that splicers are precision punch dies that need to be handled with care no matter how "rugged" they are built. Dropping them, banging them around and not keeping them cleaned and approperiate parts sharpened will result in less than ultimate performance.

I am used to the Nuemade splicers and really do not have a problem with them. They are a rugged machine. My only complaint is that they can be a bear to adjust is they come out of alignment. Occasionally I would need to use an Exacto blade to clean up excess tape off of a splice. But I think that the alignment problems were probably a result of rough handling.

I have examined but not used the Strong splicer. This too seems to be a very well built and rugged machine!

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 11-28-2001 03:32 PM

John H: The economy splicers I have used have this plate on the bottom. The genuine CIR's do not. Since the economy is basically the same dimensions as a genuine CIR, I assume the plate would fit, but there is one slight problem: There are no holes in the base for screws to hold the plate on. That is the only thing I like better about the knockoffs.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 11-28-2001 07:34 PM

That is a old CIR if it doesn't have the plate

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Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 11-28-2001 07:47 PM

The 35mm CIR splicers that I've seen do have the bottom plate, but the 16mm models don't. Does anyone know why? (The only 70mm splicers I've seen have been Neumades, so I don't know if the 70mm CIR model has the plate.)

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Benoit Demazy
Film Handler

Posts: 10
From: Belgium
Registered: Apr 2002

posted 01-09-2003 06:24 AM

Since I don't have 50 post, I can't read the re-review of the Strong Splicer (sneak preview) but if it's the review of Ph. Laude, I already have the chance to read it.

That's another opinion about the old debat "Strong is the best splicer, CIR is a piece of crap"...

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Jamie Sanson
Film Handler

Posts: 33
From: Port Macquarie,NSW, Australia
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 01-12-2003 04:59 AM

I to have been using a CIR-M3-35mm Special genuine film splicer for over 14 years with out any problems. just love it. [thumbsup]

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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1842
From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 01-12-2003 12:28 PM

We have 3 different "CIR" splicers in our booth.

One is just like the one in the Reviews section, with the knobs on the front to move the pins (or make them disappear??) and that stupid metal bar in front of the tape roll that I just want to break off. A roll of duck tape would make better splices than this thing.

The second one doesn't have the knobs or the metal bar, but it does have the plate on the bottom held in by one hex screw. This one is the best of the three, but if it's not COMPLETELY clean (I cleaned it a week ago) it doesn't work right. You push the handle down, and it sllloowwwllyy comes back up as it eases through the tape goo. It started doing this again yesterday. I almost feel like spraying FilmGuard into the sprocket hole punches, but don't want to cause any problems. [Smile]

This one splices OK. Still leaves some holes half-punched and extra tape on the edges.

The third one doesn't have the knobs, the bar, or the plate on the bottom. The handle is very hard to push down...it has too much spring tenstion. If you push it all the way down and let it go, you could use it to catapault things across the booth. This one splices OK too, but not as good as the second one.

NO WAY that any CIR or knockoff splicer I have used in any booth even compares to the smooth, clean, and precise splices made by the Numade.

=TMP=

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 889
From: Freehold, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 01-12-2003 08:08 PM

My Neumade never leaves the make-up bench. The CIRs are spread around the booth to deal with emergencies, trailer changes and breakdowns. When it comes to show make-up, I find it hard to beat a Neumade.

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