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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-01-2001 10:37 AM

Randy, you may have been close to an answer. There are chemicals the will glow under ultraviolet light that are invisible under natural light, such as fluorescein. It is entirely possible to write on the film at the reel ends, writing the reel number directly onto the image in big bold numbers. You might want to replace the platter lights with cool ultraviolet lights and the ends of reels would be plainly visible.

Invisible marking pens

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 12-01-2001 11:38 AM

Paul, I can't kick anyone out. Our company poilcy is that we have Manager-Operators, and that all managers do projection. I hate that, but I have to deal with it. I have talked to the GM, and asked him if we can have a booth meeting really soon. He said yes, so I'll see how that goes. I want to try everything possible before going over his head!

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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1260
From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 12-01-2001 02:44 PM

Brad,

In a first time I agreed with you: a quick "flash" is better than a splice. Then I decided to remove all lab splices because the splices are often "out of perforation". I retreathed my copy of Hannibal many times before understand that the lab splice at the middle of last reel had two perforation too near.
Moreover, I had just few Film Stop during my work: all of them due to broken lab splices.

So, I prefer to add a splice and, just for fun, I collect all cut frames!!

If you are lucky and the lab splice is not in a very bright scene, and the movie is DTS encoded, the splice cannot be seen.

Bye
Antonio

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 12-01-2001 02:49 PM

Lab splices are ultrasonic splices and as such are virtually impossible to break. The only way I have found is one must put a hard fold in the splice

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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1260
From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 12-01-2001 02:55 PM

Gordon,

What can I say? Perhaps Italian splices are not good as US one!!

I can assure that in both theaters of my chain we started to cut off lab splices because they often break themself.

Bye
Antonio

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Randy Stankey
Film God

Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 12-01-2001 04:15 PM

Jerry,

Cool idea! Not only that, but it would virtually eliminate the (perceived) need for Zebra Tape. Now, if we could only figure out a way to get this applied to film, standard, from the lab.

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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-01-2001 05:00 PM

Randy, Uhhhh, is this something you really want to trust to Technicolor?

UV stuff IS cool. Some tickets have UV inks embedded as a security measure, and I think Kodak was even working on some UV barcoding ideas. The only thing I'm afraid of is that now some company will apply a UV digital soundtrack covering the entire picture area. There are more soundtracks now than sprocket holes.

Think of the fun you can have with one of those markers and a film. The front of reel one or the credit roll at the end could be extensive notes to the next projectionist that would never get seperated or lost.

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Mathew Molloy
Master Film Handler

Posts: 357
From: The Santa Cruz Mountains
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-01-2001 05:06 PM

I'm a big fan of clear tape myself, but when you work in an arthouse running rep. prints that are pretty much spliced all to hell, then Zebra tape has a place.

I've been working for the same company for 7 years now and I can't believe what I'm reading about the problems some of you guys have in the booth and dealing with management. My first reaction, if I were to be in your position, would be to find another job. However, I think it would eat at me knowing I didn't do my part, as projectionist, to improve a previously flawed presentation and to give people a product worth paying $9+ for.

But I'm sure it's like trying to tell the management at Pizza Hut you think they should go back to making their large pizzas large again.

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Paul Harnden
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 107
From: Chandler, AZ, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 12-01-2001 05:30 PM

Ken,

What company do you work for? I was an assistant/operator myself for Regal, like i said i had little authority too but if someone was screwing something up and not dealing with it I would have a talk with them, if still nothing, I would go to the GM and have them scheduled for floor.
As for going over their head, i guess I wasn't clear sorry. What I meant is to get everything straightened out with your GM, if they don't listen and everything is still going wrong, then talk to your tech. It's always good to talk to your GM, but if they're not listening to you like you said in one of your posts, your tech is always a good way to go.

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Gerard S. Cohen
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 975
From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 12-01-2001 07:30 PM

Apropos ultra-violet, a UA tech once insisted company policy forbade
the use of any visible splicing medium and supplied my booth with
rolls of ultra-violet sensitive splicing tape which was transparent
and not visible in ordinary light, but glowed in ultra violet. I installed a 3-foot UV flourescent lamp over the makeup bench, and
a portable battery lamp was supplied with a six-inch UV tube for
use at the platter and makeup feeder table. Unfortunately, it worked best when the booth was insemi-darkness, and the UV light gave eyestrain and headaches. [I believe it should be banned by OSHA] That experiment soon ended in failure. Another drawback of the UV tape is that when removed it left a sticky residue.

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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-01-2001 08:31 PM

Gerard, I've noted that eyestrain thing with UV and thought it was just me. Does anyone besides Gerard and me have that strange feeling that somehow a UV lit room is bright but you just can't see it, or that things aren't focusing right?

I think if the UV light were over the platters and there was other light in the booth it wouldn't be as strange. Tape adhesive is of course unrelated to the effect.

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Randy Stankey
Film God

Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99

posted 12-01-2001 09:35 PM

Well, I may have an explanation for that. The way I understand it, your eyes aren't sensitive to UV and your pupils don't respond to is by constricting, as they do with visible wavelengths, only UV does hurt the eyes just the same. Your eyes are, in essence, defenseless against UV. That's why you get eyestrain when exposed to a lot of UV for a long time.

This is why wearing the wrong kind of dark sunglasses can be bad for our eyes. The reduced intensity of light causes the pupils to dialate, thus allowing MORE UV to enter the eye. If the sunglasses you wear aren't the kind that filters out (a substantial portion of) the UV spectrum you are actually causing even MORE damage to your eyes than you would if you wore none.

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 12-03-2001 01:01 PM

Gerard is correct: Excessive exposure to ultraviolet energy can cause eye damage, and any ultraviolet lamp would need to meet appropriate safety requirements. UV-absorbing glasses may offer some eye protection (e.g., like people wear in tanning booths).

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 12-03-2001 10:52 PM

I came across this when I was browsing Kodak's site today. Anybody ever hear of it?
Technicolor Offers User's Guide

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 12-04-2001 01:01 AM

Yeah, they sent those out to most theaters last year. It was nothing more than publicity fluff.

I just love the way those check frames turned up not too long after I proposed them here on Film-Tech.

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