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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Margate, FL, USA
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 - posted 12-04-2001 09:01 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John, consumer UV sources are all long-wave. The damaging UV is short-wave. This is the type used in tanning booths, mineral identification, electronics etching with xenon short arcs, etc. The "blacklight" fluorescent tubes have the protection built in as a property of the cobalt blue tube itself.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 12-04-2001 12:42 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jerry --- thanks. Certainly short wavelength UV is more dangerous. But I still would limit my exposure, especially for the eyes, as even a "safe" source may have some short wavelength UV.

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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 12-04-2001 02:26 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I guess that is prudent. I wear glasses that protect against this anyway.

One theatre that Wometco had used 300watt UV mercury lamps with built-in filters to illuminate a hallway where the rug had day-glo threads. There must have been a dozen lights and the effect was striking. I don't recall the employees getting tanned or complaining of eye problems.

The kind of light I'm thinking about would be one of the four or eight inch fluorescent tubes, with a shield against direct viewing. Given that it would only be used for short periods of time, and the level would be low, I doubt there would be much of a problem.

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 12-04-2001 08:08 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, I never heard of check frames. Are they provided by Technicolor?

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-04-2001 09:11 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
They are now. If you ask, they will fax them to you. I still think my idea is better, for it would be available in color, on the internet and would cover all studios, not just the ones that TES ships for.

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Ken Lackner
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Brad, just as we post information in the Feature Info forum, why don't we have a section somewhere on this site for check frames? Members could submit the pictures to you and you could complie a list of films with a link to the pics of the frames. Or, we could even have a forum for it. The only problem is that many people, myself included, don't have digital cameras or scanners. Heck, I don't even own a regular camera, so I wouldn't be able to take a picture at all. But surely someone would be able to get a picture of every print's check frames.

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Paul Harnden
Expert Film Handler

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 - posted 12-04-2001 10:44 PM      Profile for Paul Harnden   Email Paul Harnden   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hmmmmm.......

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-04-2001 11:03 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Getting the frames taken could NOT be done by members submitting them. It would take me forever to go through everyone's submission and properly crop and resize the shots, for no two people's pictures would be the same. Plus, who's to say that they are submitting the proper frames? Sad as this may seem, only a few of the people who submit pictures for the warehouse actually READ the submission guidelines (much like people 99% of the time fail to read the FAQ page before asking the same questions over and over). Most people send in pictures with their original camera file names and a bunch of unlabeled captions. Somehow we are supposed to know where the caption "Bob in the north booth" is supposed to go when there are 3 shots with male people in the submission package as we try to assemble the pages. It just won't work. The only way would be if myself and perhaps one other specific person took the shots every week. This is easily enough done, but to make it a true value to the projectionist community, the frames need to be online by the day BEFORE the prints open to the public. In other words, if I was to update the site and add the pictures every week on a Friday...a whole lot of good that would do for people trying to assemble their used screener prints Thursday night. I would need a small amount of cooperation from the studios to make it work, and not a one of them seemed to give a flip about it when I approached them before. Heck, it's not their problem, right?

If the studios did care, I could easily see to it that every film had it's ID frames online for anyone to download by the day before the film opens. I just don't see it happening.


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Ken Lackner
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The problem with ID frames is an issue with used prints, not new ones, right? So we wouldn't need them the week a film opens, because all the prints would be new (except for the rare occasion you may get a print that was previously screened by someone - I don't think I ever have). By the time those prints start circulating to other theatres, the ID frames would be online.

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Brad Miller
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Actually I see a LOT of used prints circulate on first run. No doubt most of this is due to TES shipping a brand new print to each screening, instead of re-circulating the same couple of prints from screening to screening. Also, if it cannot be online for first run, it's not worth the hassle to me.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Melanoma
Causes, Risk Factors, and Prevention
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation--Experts believe that much of the worldwide increase in melanoma is related to an increase in the amount of time people spend in the sun. This disease is also more common in people who live in areas that get large amounts of UV radiation from the sun. In the United States, for example, melanoma is more common in Texas than it is in Minnesota, where the sun is not as strong. UV radiation from the sun causes premature aging of the skin and skin damage that can lead to melanoma. (Two types of ultraviolet radiation--UVA and UVB--are explained in the Dictionary.) Artificial sources of UV radiation, such as sunlamps and tanning booths, also can cause skin damage and probably an increased risk of melanoma.

Ultraviolet radiation
(ul-tra- VYE-o-let ray-dee-AY-shun): UV radiation. Invisible rays that are part of the energy that comes from the sun. UV radiation can damage the skin and cause melanoma and other types of skin cancer. UV radiation that reaches the earth's surface is made up of two types of rays, called UVA and UVB rays. UVB rays are more likely than UVA rays to cause sunburn, but UVA rays pass deeper into the skin. Scientists have long thought that UVB radiation can cause melanoma and other types of skin cancer. They now think that UVA radiation also may add to skin damage that can lead to skin cancer and cause premature aging. For this reason, skin specialists recommend that people use sunscreens that reflect, adsorb, or scatter both kinds of UV radiation.



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Jerry Chase
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Jeffry, I appreciate your posting the links, and I am one who often researches what I post, but I'll have to admit that I myself am overdosed... to the point of being sick... on claims of what is good for us and what isn't.

I think of this warning on one hand, and I think of my father who was an avid boater on the other, often coming back with beet red skin and a nose more glowing than Rudolph's . He died of heart problems in his 80s. Others in my family were farmers toiling in the sun most summer days. None had problems with skin cancers and most lived similar persiods, and many are still kicking.

We live. Eventually we die. In between, we have to figure out what we want to do, and what might seriously cut our life short or impare it. I am not about to consider long wave UV as a determining factor in my life. The scientists who have a hunch and want to make me live in fear can make strong lip contact with my glutious maximumus.

(Nothing personal, and I appreciate your bringing it to my attention that yet another group wants to limit us to play-dough and styrofoam.)

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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The reason for my previous post was to point out that both types of ultraviolet light may damage the skin.

I don't want to stray too far off topic, so I won't post further on skin damage.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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We were *on* topic?

George Carlin: Scientists have found that saliva causes cancer. But only when ingested in small amounts over long periods of time.

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