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Topic: "Minority Report" in 2.39? What gives?
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Frank Angel
Film God

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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 06-23-2002 09:15 AM
Michael Brown said: >What would the hard matting be anyway? The difference between 2.35 and 2.39< Exactly. The 2.39 frameline is a bit thicker than what you usually see on scope prints and if your optical system is projecting EXACTLY 2.35, then a print that IS hard matted to 2.39, will project frame lines, albeit slight, on the top and bottom of the screen. As Steve points out, this difference will not usually be correctable by changing the prime lens. With lenses manufactured for the most part in 5mm increments, the next FL step would be to much to make that slight correction. The easy way around this problem would be to replace the prime lens with the new Schneider variable FL prime which is adjustable to about 7% of the mean focal length. That would allow you to make the slight adjustment that would be needed to eliminate the visible frame lines of a hard matted 2.39 print. This is an expensive proposition, however, especially for a non-profit like us. We will probably wind up doing the simplest option, and that is dropping the top mask to compensate -- a lot cheaper than buying two new lenses. Dropping the mask, however, will mean cropping our 1.37 a bit, but it actually will help our 1.85 since that was a tad overcut (maybe like 1.83 or something). It would be really nice if ALL lenses had that 7% variable option. Frank PS -- Has anyone ever considered mechanizing that laborious plate filing job? While filing plates for 4 formats and two projectors, I had plenty of time to think of ways to make this job easier. I pictured rigging the file to a reciprocal saw using the saw blade clamp to hold the file; then I'd put the saw on a jig to keep it immobile. It just might work and believe me, the next time I have to file a complete set, I will give this a try.
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Mike Schindler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Oak Park, IL, USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 06-23-2002 11:45 PM
Greg, The reasons you list for filmmakers choosing Super 35 are definitely good reasons. I had heard many of these examples before, as well others. David Fincher, for example likes Super 35 because the lenses are smaller and do not interfere as much with actors. That's OK. What I think is not OK is people like Martin Scorsese, who preferred the widescreen ratio, but didn't feel comfortable shooting films in anamorphic because of what would be lost on video. Another would be John Woo, who, I'm told, shot WINDTALKERS in Super 35 because he didn't want to deal with the hassle of anamorphic lenses.As for Cameron's reasoning, I had not heard that he does not like the artifacts created by anamorphic lenses. This is a good reason for him not to use them. But at the same time, I think he's nuts. What I love more than anything else about anamorphic lenses are all of the little imperfections. This is why I'd prefer them over one of the larger formats. I grew up with movies like ALIEN and DIE HARD, so to me, those imperfections are just a part of movies. I think they're beautiful. But that's just my opinion, and, unlike Mr. Cameron, I haven't directed four or five of the best pictures ever made, so I'll shut up now.
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Frank Angel
Film God

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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 06-24-2002 02:51 AM
I dunno, I look at those new super high intensity designer headlights that look like they've got 4000w xenon bulbs in them, and not only do I see flare that goes across my entire field of vision, but for the next quarter mile I don't see ANYTHING and then for the next three miles, all I see is big round dots. I am very close to perfecting a secret invention (patent pending) that easily installs in the front dash; it senses those super bright "designer" headlights while they are still miles away and aims a cryaton particle beam at them, creating a sympathetic vibration of the filaments which causes them to EXPLODE before they get anywhere near my car. The deluxe model will also immediately jam any "On-Star" transmitter should it be used to call for help. Oh, and excuse me, James (King-of-the-World) Cameron, are you saying that spherical lenses have no flare? How about those shots made with a spherical lens where a bright light will produce a line-up of dots that radiate progressively outward from the light source, and if the light source moves, the line of dots swings around the radius -- do we see THAT in real life? Some of these artifacts are a given in cinematography. Years ago such shots might have been re-done; in recent years this kind of artifact is more and more tolerated. It's really a matter of taste and what bothers or doesn't bother the director and/or cinematographer. If Mr. Cameron is annoyed by the flare caused by anamorphic lenses as opposed to the flare caused by spherical lenses, you really can't argue with him; but as far as the audience is concerned, if polled, they probably would say that anyone arguing about which is the better kind of flare, needs to change their medication or just say no to drugs all together. Frank
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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 06-24-2002 03:15 AM
FWIW when my glasses get little droplets of water on them I tend to see reflections of headlights similar to what you see in spherical.I've never seen the anamorphic flare occur anywhere else in real life. Besides, a lot of scope projection lenses suck. I'm running test loops in all of my projectors to determine which (if any) of the scope lenses are still any good. So far...I'd say they all need to be replaced for one reason or another. Mainly it's a focus problem.
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