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Aaron Haney
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No, "We Were Soldiers" was definitely shot anamorphic. I've read the reason it looked grainy is because it was shot entirely on 800 ASA negatives. Also, according to IMDb, it underwent a 2K digital intermediate (a la "O Brother Where Art Thou"), so the grain size must have been pretty big in order to still show up at 2K resolution.

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John Pytlak
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http://www.editorsguild.com/newsletter/MayJun02/digital_intermediate.html

"On the feature We Were Soldiers, the negative was "overscanned" at 4K, and the resulting data was then down-sampled to 2K, yielding a crisper image than a straight 2K scan, but making it possible to work more quickly and efficiently. Seasoned film timer Mike Stanwick, on loan from Deluxe, was brought in to help with the digital timing. Efilm's proprietary timing and conforming software is resolution-independent, and allows 2K and 4K scans to be mixed in the same reel, a feature that's useful for things like resizes and push-ins. In an effort to eliminate lab timing entirely, Efilm's Arrilaser film recorders are recalibrated constantly to compensate for chemistry fluctuations and the high definition video projector used in timing has settings that closely emulate each film emulsion used. According to Efilm's president, Joe Matza, We Were Soldiers is the first film to have been fully mastered at true 2K resolution, timed entirely on a computer and released with no lab timing. Editor William Hoy was very satisfied with the process and indicated that digital intermediate gave the team creative possibilities that they couldn't have had otherwise."

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Michael Schaffer
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In this context, what does "digital timing" mean?
Michael

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Steve Kraus
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In the photo-chemical world timing refers to adjustments to color balance and intensity of exposure as one element is printed to another. Therefore digital timing would refer to similar adjustments made to a digital image. In the digital realm additional adjustments are probably also possible.

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John Pytlak
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Links to information on conventional color timing for printing:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h1/printing.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h61/

Links to information about "Digital Intermediate" and digital timing:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/dlad/
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/color.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/digital/mastering.shtml
Digital Intermediates
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/students/onCampus/oct2001/dfm.shtml

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Frank Angel
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Hmmmm....they got someone to come in from Deluxe Labs to oversee the color timing? Digital Color by Deluxe, as it were.....all the digital elements are guaranteed to turn red in five years, heh heh.

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Michael Brown
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Yup scope it is and good it looks. (And I saw it on a 60-70 foot screen)

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Steve Kraus
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Are you sure it's in Scope?

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Michael Brown
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I guess

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Nic Margherio
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If anyone is interested in more information on the "digital intermediate" process there is a fascinating featurette on the "O Brother, Where Art Thou" DVD that gives a good overview of what its all about.

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