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Topic: "Minority Report" in 2.39? What gives?
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John Hawkinson
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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 07-02-2002 10:19 PM
So, the July issue of In Camera showed up today, and on the back there's the usual Kodak film ad. I took a little bit of a closer look at it for some reason, and in the upper left, it says about Kodak Vision 800T: "world's fastest tungesten-balanced stock; sharpness and grain of slower products; low light, fast action, anamorphic, super 35mm."Curiously, it's the only one of the 9 film stocks in the ad that mentions Super 35. Yet it's a fast film; I was under the impression that all the issues with grain in Super 35 meant that you wanted to use slower stocks, not faster ones. So, John, why is Kodak promoting Super 35 with Vision 800T? --jhawk
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-02-2002 10:50 PM
The ad said it: "sharpness and grain of slower products". The VISION color negative technology is constantly improving. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/negative/5289.shtml Sure, VISION 200T will have finer grain. But if the situation demands, the 5289 can yield remarkable images for being such a fast film. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Wilson
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posted 07-02-2002 11:42 PM
Here's that scan I promised of the out of frame frame line in Minority reel one. As you can see, it is up in the frame...it seems that the bottom of the 'printed' frameline sits on the actual frameline and thus gives the illusion you need to frame down. But don't or you will ACTUALLY be out of frame.  Is every print like this? John ------------------ Too much of the rest of the film is given over to a romance between Padme and Anakin in which they're incapable of uttering anything other than the most basic and weary romantic cliches, while regarding each other as if love was something to be endured rather than cherished. There is not a romantic word they exchange that has not long since been reduced to cliche. No, wait: Anakin tells Padme at one point: "I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth." I hadn't heard that before. - Roger Ebert reviewing Episode 2. 
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John Pytlak
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posted 07-03-2002 08:03 AM
jhawk said: "I guess I find myself wondering what sort of negative film tends to be used on the Super 35 films that we do see as looking grainy. Thanks for the snappy response., btw."Having looked at MANY movies in my career, my own feeling is that underexposure is the most frequent culprit in "grainy" pictures. An underexposed negative will print with low density shadow areas ("smoky blacks"), so the fast negative grains that capture shadow detail will be printed light enough to be easily seen on the print. A "richer" exposure pushes the image further up the negative's characteristic curve, onto the finer grained emulsion components, and even the grainer fast components are printed to a "rich" solid black that minimizes the grain. If I had a limited amount of light, I would choose to use a film that was a stop faster, rather than be forced to underexpose by one stop. I do not dispute that all things being equal, the larger image area of 2.39:1 anamorphic will yield lower graininess than 2.39:1 Super 35. But the excellent sharpness and low graininess of the KODAK VISION family of films allows Super 35 "Done Right" to look very good: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/products/negative/ ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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