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Topic: "Minority Report" in 2.39? What gives?
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 06-24-2002 09:56 AM
Standard SMPTE 59 specifies the Camera Aperture Image and Usage. For "Style B" anamorphic pictures, the aperture dimensions are 0.864 x 0.732 inches. So if the usual continuous contact printing was used for duplicating, the height of the "scope" frame on the film for a production shot with anamorphic camera lenses would be 0.732 inches, and the framelines would be 0.014 inches thick (4 x 0.1866 - 0.732 = 0.0144). Of course, SMPTE 195 specifies the projectable image area as 0.825 x 0.690 inches.To answer an earlier question, yes, optical printers are usually pin-registered. (Some continuous optical reduction printers have been used in the past, primarily for printing 16mm to Super 8). By "forcing" pin-registration to be used for making the duplicate negatives, Super 35 can result in better steadiness. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Tao Yue
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From: Princeton, NJ
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posted 06-25-2002 01:35 PM
Brian, there is such a thing as going too far in anamorphic advocacy. It's great because it gives better resolution, less grain, and widescreen images, while still using 4-perf 35mm. It's not great because it has less depth-of-field, uneven focus shifting, and unusual lens flare effects.The last two can be used to artistic effect, and it's great when they seem to fit in. However, there are many cases when they are merely annoying, simply because they're not real life. Anamorphic IMAX, for instance, just wouldn't make sense. Special effects (prior to the CGI era) would've been a lot harder if they'd shot in Technirama instead of VistaVision. Anamorphic effects would have seriously screwed up the lighting. Do we see some fantastic images in movies? Sure. But do you also enthusiastically accept fake-looking CGI imaging because it has "character?" Most of us would prefer that it look believable, even if it's a scene that we'd never see in real life. Interestingly enough, some of the CGI in Minority Report was mistakenly rendered with anamorphic lens effects. The scene on the highway, for instance, showed some anamorphic flare (watch for ovals). Poor communication with the effects house, I suppose?
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John Pytlak
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posted 06-25-2002 02:53 PM
Mike said: "I'm sure that it is very annoying to work with anamorphic lenses, and there are certainly some problems with them. But I'd still rather have shallow focus and lens flares than excessive grain."I agree that the larger image area of the 35mm anamorphic frame makes the most efficient use of the camera negative image area. The area that ends up on the screen is 0.825 x 0.690 inches. With Super 35, the area that ends up on the screen is 0.945 x 0.394 inches, or about 65% of the anamorphic area. And "size does matter". But for Super 35, using slower films, avoiding underexposure, and care in printing can all be used to reduce the graininess, with many examples of "Super 35 Done Right". ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Mike Schindler
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Oak Park, IL, USA
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 06-25-2002 11:12 PM
Mitchell, I totally agree with everything you said about MINORITY REPORT.Can you think of anything more recent than TITANIC? I didn't have a very good eye for things like this at that point. Could you give an example of something from, say, the past 2 years? If not, then doesn't that say something about the quality of Super 35 in general? Also, how much of "Super 35 done right" falls on the filmmaker's shoulders as opposed to other factors, like the lab, money, etc.? From that Cameron interview, it seemed like he had a bit more control over the process than most people, but he was also taking greater care to ensure that it would turn out OK. Thanks.
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Brian Tristam Williams
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From: Johannesburg, South Africa
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posted 06-26-2002 02:28 AM
Tao:You're missing my point, as detailed below. "Brian, there is such a thing as going too far in anamorphic advocacy." Perhaps, but I wasn't advocating anything. "It's not great because it has less depth-of-field, uneven focus shifting, and unusual lens flare effects." Those very traits may be what gives anamorphic its character. "But do you also enthusiastically accept fake-looking CGI imaging because it has "character?" " Yes! Many have commented that the original Star Wars films looked a lot better with their fallible models than the new 'perfect' looking films. What about Knight Rider? I loved the cheesy models - CGI in a new Knight Rider just would look too plastic for me. Your inspirations are determined by your experience. If the best movie you ever saw had fake-looking CGI, you may just look upon this fake-looking CGI as nostalgic, and very comfortable, depending, of course, upon the context of the material you're viewing. Indeed, I don't want to see anamorphic abberations in IMAX Lions of the Serengeti, or bad, fake-looking CGI in Lethal Weapon! "Most of us would prefer that it look believable, even if it's a scene that we'd never see in real life." Sure. But I'm not advocating anything, and therefore not speaking for "most of us." The point is that I grew to love anamorphic 35mm, and all that represents it, warts and all.
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