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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-22-2006 02:51 PM                     That's awesome Brian. They should offer a training course.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-22-2006 03:43 PM                     Start with the easy stuff, show them how doing things right is actually easier (that is what these guys will latch onto the most-things that make their job easier). Threading normally is certainly easier than doing it the way you describe. Putting the lens in right the first time (and leaving the positioning screw in so it stays there) is easier than adjusting it every time, etc etc.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-22-2006 06:56 PM                     quote: Charles Greenlee I'd occasionally get a reel where the hub had no drive pin hole. Yea,..seen this done a few times before as well, but with the old solid plastic reels. But question: don't you take the flanges off and reset then on the core so you can have a drive hole visible, or do I need to make another "show and tell" picture presentation on how to disasemble reels that are put together all screwy and resnap the flanges on where all is aligned? quote: Brian DeCiancio Where do I even start with this disaster???????? First thing, is to talk to the one in charge and see how that person takes your suggestions. Then make sure that you don't step on any toes if you even get a chance to "take over" such a project. Let the one in charge do the announcement. thx- Monte  |  IP: Logged Brian DeCiancio Film Handler Posts: 52 From: Warren, OH, USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 10-22-2006 11:34 PM                        Just finished up a shift there tonight. I can only do so much when the shows are running, but I squeezed in an adjustment or five. As far as not stepping on toes, that seems like it is going to be a problem no matter what. I seem to get different responses from the GM and the owner. They don't want to spend money, but fortunately, most of the problems are lousy training and misadjustments--except for one intermittent that will likely bite the dust soon. I have installed several of the missing lens screws using my own loop of RP40 or PA35, whatever. I have to bring my own tools and "treasure chest" of assorted screws as they have virtually nothing there. As far as the training course goes Brad, they HAVE been training this way for the last 2+ years. They have zero respect for film or the damage caused by running the film through you fingers while making up/breaking down, throwing the leader on the floor, cleaning only select parts of the film path, and on and on. I told one kid tonight that he will have to change his method of threading and seems willing to do so. One other has been fired for messing things up routinely. Another I have never even met. Now for the older guy who has already scoffed at the proper method... Their print of Talladega Nights was scratched lightly since I started 3 weeks ago and tonight there were additional platter scratches. It just gets worse and worse. Thanks for letting me vent, I know many of you have been there and understand. If any of you guys have worked with a CFS console, please see my questions in the "In need of Rentec L-2000 wiring diagrams" thread. I need to get this automation working better, even if they are missing random switches, etc.  |  IP: Logged Alex Grueneberg Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Aug 2004 posted 10-23-2006 12:14 PM                        Hang in there Brian. We're all in this together. Personally, that sounds a lot like 3 theaters I've worked at.  |  IP: Logged Chad Smith Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Lafayette, IN, USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 10-24-2006 12:59 AM                     Last Thursday we recieved two prints of Flags of our Fathers. One of the reel 1's had the reel wound on there heads up, but someone actually put a tails up attached trailer on it, and then put the header on it. The trailer of course still had it's header and footer on it. The other reel one was the same way but at least the attached trailer was heads up that time. Wow.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-25-2006 11:04 PM                     Typical case of "booth clown" operations. ..sad, ain't it? -Monte [ 10-26-2006, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-26-2006 01:43 AM                     HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! That's great Monte. The funniest part is that I'll bet these dimwits aren't smart enough to realize how to put the entire print back together WITHOUT cutting the film.  |  IP: Logged Anslem Rayburn Master Film Handler Posts: 476 From: Yuma, AZ, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-26-2006 08:08 AM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer Typical case of "booth clown" operations. I have never seen anything even remotely like that. Is that in your booth, Monte? If not, where is that? If so, why would anyone that would do that be allowed in your booth? No matter, I wouldn't consider anything like that "typical".  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 10-26-2006 12:56 PM                     Nope, not my booth (and I'd kill if any of my operators do such a thing like this..) Granted, I've placed platter rolls like this on a table, BUT, I've got the common sense to have the rolls on a board, or at least clamped.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 10-27-2006 12:08 PM                        quote: Monte L Fullmer But question: don't you take the flanges off and reset then on the core so you can have a drive hole visible Yes, I took the flanges off. It seems the primary drive method for that hub was indednted to be driven from a key in the center hole, as it had a groove nothed in it there. There was no drive hole, hidden or otherwise. Our equipment didn't have the proper means of driving it, so I modified the hub to work by adding a hole, no problem. So far at the Regal, I have not come across this yet. quote: Anslem Rayburn I have never seen anything even remotely like that. I have. At the Wynnsong, one of our min. wage platter monkeys dumped an entire print of SW: Ep. 3, trailers and all, down our emergency stairwell. It looked like very much spaghetti. I came in that night, and instructed the projectionist that had done it to clean it up. He complained because it was his time to get off, but I don't him that because this was such a massive mistake on his behalf, he had to fix it before leaveing, or he will not come back. While he was fixing the film, no doubt cutting it in to 5ft peices or something, I was filling in his writeup, and getting the GM's signiture for the termination. When he was done, I had him recieve his termination. I'm mean because I planned to have him fired anyways. To me that is an automatic termination. Any time film hits the floor is a terminable offence. One of the other projectionist had to move prints around thurs night. He had 2 prints that were closing, he set them on the floor in clamps, in their platter rolls. They were directly on the nasty booth floor. I asked him what is this, and he explained like he didn't see anything wrong. I wished he'd at least had the thought to put a platter bonnet under the film. Needless to say, nothing he told me was going to excuse that, terminated. Bye, don't write, hope you find a job you don't have to care about. Film NEVER, ever ever ever......ever touches the floor. If you sling a print, I better find something wrong with the platter. Did I mention he had no real film cleaners there? So any dirt that got on the prints stayed on the prints, and scratched them.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-27-2006 01:39 PM                     Hey! Accidents happen! Carelessness has no excuse but, if there is a problem or an unforseen situation, bad things can happend even though people take every precaution. But, the question comes to my mind, "Why was the 'operator' carrying a print of Star Wars down the emergency stairwell, by himself? #1 - Nobody should be carrying prints around by themselves. #2 - No print should be carried down the stairs or out of the booth unless absolutely necessary. So, if you, the "manager" are allowing employees to do those things... if you know or "should have known" that people are doing those things without your consent... YOU SHARE 50% OF THE GUILT! Yeah, maybe your 'boy', there, DID deserve to be canned (I don't know. I wasn't there.) but maybe you wouldn't have HAD to can him if he had proper training and support.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-27-2006 01:48 PM                     I know of theaters where prints were moved via an emergency stairwell, or above another auditorium on a catwalk, and then there are even the insane "huts" that Century has at one of it's locations where the booths are all mounted on the roof of the building! Regardless, I agree with Randy that moving prints by yourself is sort of asking for trouble. Now there are exceptions to every rule. For example I and others I know can all do this without any real risk to the film (provided it isn't TOO long), but still I consider it foolish to not have a second person. What IS stupid are people who move a print BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT CLAMPS!!! (You know who you are.)  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-27-2006 02:05 PM                        I saw a guy do that once. (Move a print without clamps or any other thing.) He just stuck his hands under the edge of the print, worked his fingers under there, picked the whole thing up and carried it away. I won't reveal who this was, but he's no longer in the industry. He didn't drop the print, at least!  |  IP: Logged Blaine Young Master Film Handler Posts: 477 From: Kirkland, WA, USA Registered: Sep 2006 posted 10-27-2006 02:29 PM                     I don't want to expose myself to too much riducule - but here goes. The booth I currently work in has no film clamps. Well, that's not entirely correct. We have them, but the are so huge, that unless the film is "The Departed" or "King Kong", the clamps don't even "clamp" the film. I remember when I was at GCC we had AutoWind3 platters which would wrap so nicely, you could tape the end of the platter reel and literally pick up the entire wrap and carry it on your shoulder down to the next auditorium. The Strong POS that we have at present wrap the film so loosely that you must have two people to carry the prints - and even then they flop around like a $2 whore. Now, if you 'tight wrap' them by dropping a roller on the variac, they wrap up pretty nice for gazillion moves we have to do on Thursday night.  |  IP: Logged

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