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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers)
Brad Miller
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 - posted 10-27-2002 05:52 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
"Brad, in re your theory #1, it seems to me that there's not much wrong with using paper tape for a leader splice if you make the splice on a splicer. "

I have done this when working booths that had super nasty splicing tape and have no problem with it. HOWEVER, there must be a clear distinction between the kind of white tape that has the same adhesive that is found on Post-It Notes (not strong enough) to the other extreme that is actual masking tape (leaves horrible residue). If the Artist's tape is not left on the print for "too long", then it will pull effortlessly off and leave no residue. For theaters that are super cheap and won't spend the money on quality splicing tape, I would RATHER see them use Artist's tape on a splicer. And yes it will run through a projector just fine if need be (even a single sided splice). In fact, at theaters with completely blind projectionists who absolutely insist on using solid opaque splicing tape, I generally recommend they make the splice with a piece of clear splicing tape on the base, and use the Artist's tape for the emulsion side. It's cheaper and doesn't leave a glob of sticky goop for the next theater. There has never been a problem either.

Jack, I have seen that MANY times since TES started using those translucent reels. It drives me crazy! It happened to me once rewinding a reel while threading a nearby platter in a rushed situation (I heard the film on the other reel cinch scratching away as it was tightening up on itself) and now I am extra careful anytime I get close to the end of a reel that may have been secured by an idiot.

And what's with the group of "projectionists" who think they can wrap a piece of film or masking tape around the hub of a reel that will miraculously allow them to remove the leaders without damaging the last foot or so of the reel? Are you people that damned lazy that going back to the cans to replace the R3-tail and R4-head leaders is just too much work? You guys suck too! Go back to shoveling popcorn. That practice FORCES people to tape down the end of the reel and still provides NO protection when the end of the reel is reached. I've been in a bind before where I had to run a show cold reel to reel and the last person had taped down the tail to the hub. (This was reel 1, I inspected the others during that first reel.) As the tail leader was short, I ended up sprocketing the last couple of feet of that reel in the projector because of that nonsense. Leaders should never be removed until it is actually time to join the reels together at the platter.

Story time:
Funny story here. Several years ago I broke a print down to 2 large reels for transport to a nearby 6 plex (which no longer exists). I left all of the leaders in the cans so as not to confuse them, but wrapped a protective stretch from some extra unused trailers with their leader around it. I told the projectionist who picked up the print what I did to protect the ends of the reels and I also had placed a stretch of Artist's tape on these ends with "THIS IS JUNK FILM FOR PROTECTION, REMOVE BEFORE PLATTERING". Of course that weekend one of my employees went to that theater to see the show and came back saying that "halfway through the movie it just stopped and the Coca Cola polar bear commercial started running upside down with weird sound and some random markings (this was the leader) for about 10-15 seconds, then the movie picked right back up." Idiots! Guess it's a good thing I cut that junk protection film in frame.


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David Stambaugh
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Adding to the logging idea, maybe if the "integrity inspectors" randomly selected some subset of prints for a complete inspection, they would start catching some of the slackers who damage the film but don't log it. Though I suppose there's little incentive for them to do so (from their point of view) unless someone wants to pay for the added expense.

Accidents happen, and this isn't about the blame game (not necessarily) but just to get some accountability and maybe force goof-offs to be a little more careful.


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Brad Miller
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Trying to make cards for each print will never work. What would work is if studios would make theaters that damage a print RESPONSIBLE, as in paying for the print. This way, as something like this turns up, if only one other theater had the print before, CHARGE THEM! It wouldn't take too long for theaters to become forced into putting professionals in the booth, because it wouldn't be economically feasible not to. Everyone right down to the paying customers would benefit.

UPDATE: The replacement print of Frida is brand new, never abused (or at least handled by a professional). Everyone is happy and it will leave the theater in perfect condition at the end of the engagement. Two points for TES on this one.


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Mathew Molloy
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Brad, A similar situation happened to me with Crash. I sent it to another theatre on two 6k's with some footage from an old Woody Allen trailer attached to the head of rl 4 with a warning to this effect(the 2nd run print we received was missing the heads). It ran an entire weekend at the other theatre until someone pointed out to management that Woody Allen was in Crash for about six seconds.

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Gordon McLeod
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It appears that in most cases the only people who pay for damaged prints are smaller indies since the studio can force them to pay up
Up here most of the circuits refuse to pay for prints since they claim the print is like a used car it is depreciated when driven

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Steve Kraus
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Are you sure it came from the WG Theater? Seems odd that they would platter a film for a probable single showing, indeed that they would even have a platter there. It would be a mistake to automatically believe the TES labels.

Maybe someone should call the WGA and ask. (I tried.)

Writers Guild Theater
135 Doheny Drive
Beverly Hills, CA

Contact:
Caren Mandoyan
Writers Guild of America, west
7000 West Third Street
Los Angeles, CA 90048-4329
323.782.4525
theater@wga.org


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Scott Norwood
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Brad--I _don't_ cut splices! I _peel_ the original splicing tape and re-make a single-sided splice and don't use the cutting blade at all on breakdown.

As John said, I use white or colored artist tape to old the leaders down on prints which arrive without reel bands and I use scissors to cut it off the roll. It just feels unprofessional and tacky to tear it off the roll, but I'm just picky about this sort of thing.


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Brad Miller
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Sorry Scott, I didn't realize by "cut" you were referring to the tape. You had me worried about you.

Steve, like I said, if the theater had rejected the print, it should've been taken straight back to TES for inspection. That is the way it has always worked in the past. If by some chance they did reject the print and did not handle this one, I will apologize here to them and turn the blame toward TES for not taking it back and checking it before sending it out to another theater. Either way it is unacceptable.

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David Favel
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As a sub run in a very localised area we know exactly what sort of operation we are forwarding to.
Down the road is a changeover running 2000ft reels, so all H & T are double spliced.
If in doubt single splice (after revoving your old tape)

However with reels sent to us where the splice has been cut, the majority of the time I will remove the offending frame. Depending on the quality of the tape residue. I have found that more damage can be done removing this crap than by just cutting my losses.

That being said, on all Fox prints I will remove the frame as their prints will be tacky no matter what I try to do.

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Steve Kraus
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I guess my question is how you know that it came to you directly from there. I get stuff all the time that is circuited from someplace else and doesn't have my place on the label. Suppose it comes to me from X and I trash it. Then it circuits to you. If the labels still say X it's going to look like X was the one who trashed it.

That's not to say that they couldn't have trashed it. Maybe they do have a platter and some operator is too chicken to run changeovers in front of VIP's and would rather build and unbuild with this as the result. But Occam's Razor suggests that that was the result of a theatre, not a special venue.

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Thomas Procyk
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quote:
It wouldn't take too long for theaters to become forced into putting professionals in the booth, because it wouldn't be economically feasible not to. Everyone right down to the paying customers would benefit.

Either that, or they would find it easier to just switch to digital and avoid the "film problems" alltogether...

=TMP=

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Brad Miller
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Steve,

Judging from the delivery date on the can labels as well as taking into account when it arrived (it sat at the theater for a few days unopened), unless it made a same day pit stop at the Princess II, it came directly from there.

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Joe Redifer
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Scott-

They invented tape dispensers recently. They are a marvel of 21st century technology. No more unprofessional tearing of artists tape! No more taking out the scissors! The tape dispenser makes a nice, clean cut for you. An added benefit is that the roll doesn't have to lay on it's side when not in use, collecting dirt and debris.

Honestly though, I don't find a perfectly straight cut done with scissors to be any more professional than one done by a tape dispenser. But I too thought you were referring to cutting the splices the first time I read it, but then I figured you were talking about the tape when I re-read your sentence and looked at the pics again. That was before Jiggidy Jhawk (yes with a capital J) suggested it. I'm smart!


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Steve Kraus
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Wouldn't it be funny if the PII had totally first rate operation?

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Bobby Henderson
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Considering "Frida" is currently in very limited release (New York and Los Angeles only), it would seem logical to figure the damaged print of "Frida" to have very likely been shown only at the WGA theater. But isn't it also a common policy to ship around a review film print to play at a variety of screening rooms for critics, press and industry folk?

At any rate, it would seem private industry screening rooms, be they the WGA or anyone else, would need to aspire to a higher level of film handling practices. I think it is pretty shocking to see such a deplorable example of film abuse on a movie in very limited release.

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