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Mike Croaro
Master Film Handler

Posts: 394
From: Millbrae, CA
Registered: Apr 2005

posted 10-19-2006 10:11 AM

Hi Folks:

In my part of town all the Century's suck so the threat of Cinemark really doesn't matter. Went to see "The Departed" at the Century Park 12, Redwood City and the "prtetend projectionist" started the picture out of frame, mis-corrected it and that's the way it ran the entire time (With the bar showing near the very top of the screen). Not major, but enought for me to notice.

Mike

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Darryl Spicer
Film God

Posts: 3250
From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 10-19-2006 10:29 AM

quote: Jared Thornton
We adjusted the end time on the digital pre-show to end 2 minutes early to compensate for the new Ads. So the first trailer hits the screen at the advertised start time instead of the ad.

Just be thankful that you are only running the coke ads for now. When we ran the ads before we got our First Look setup we had as many as 10 minutes worth of ads prior to the start of the feature. So if your showtime was 7:00 you had to start it at 6:50. Then you had to remember that if the movie was Disney you didn't have as many ads on the movie. Normally only the cokes and theatre related ads like Gift books and stuff. All though I am not a fan of ads, since it is not in my control to worry about, I do like the First Look setup because it eliminates the time spent changing slides and all the ads every month. When you do get the first look all intermissions are rquired to be a minimum of 30 mins. between shows.

OK now back to the subject of you suck.....
To who ever handled print #386 of Flags of Our Fathers....You suck ass....The print had two frames cut out for i.d. purposes, masking tape used to hook leaders and they didn't even try to but the splice with the tape they just taped it over the image about six inches in from the end of the film and it was that cheap ass tape too. The leaders were not taped down so the film was spaghetti all in the box. Here is the kicker....this goes out to DFS you had the nerve to splice in a trailer onto the head of reel one without even removing the tail from the trailer. What huge pile of stupid do you have going on there.....not only that but couldn't you take an extra minute to tape the heads of the other reels down so they don't go all over the box. Go get a job at Wal-mart you don't deserve this one.

I feel better now......

[ 10-19-2006, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: Darryl Spicer ]

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 10-19-2006 10:35 AM

quote: Darryl Spicer
this goes out to DFS (dumb fucking shits) you had the nerve to splice in a trailer onto the head of reel one without even removing the tail from the trailer. What huge pile of stupid do you have going on there

This exact same thing happened to me a couple of weeks back from a DFS (ETS) print, but I can't recall the title, so maybe it's a new company thing. Regardless, often when the depot attaches a trailer it's too damaged to run on-screen anyway so they normally end up in the trash.

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Darryl Spicer
Film God

Posts: 3250
From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 10-19-2006 10:46 AM

I don't know Brad but you get one of these guys out there who doesn't inspect prints they just run them on will be in for a big surprise. One other thing about ten feet from that trailer the film was cut into the Dreamworks logo because the previous theatre couldn't figure out where the frame line was....well that shouldn't have been hard to figure out since there was no trailer on the film to begin with...just cut at the number three if you have to.

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Barry Floyd
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1079
From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 10-19-2006 10:51 AM

My print of School for Scoundrels had the same thing. Attached trailer came attached with the tail of the trailer still attached. I thought I did it... now I see I didn't,

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Christopher Duvall
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 500
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 10-19-2006 11:45 AM

Since I used to run the it, I have been asked by the booth manager of REG Green Valley Ranch to post this reply. I can vouch for him and he does deeply care for the presentation there...

"Jared,

The print of Borat was received without enough time to screen it prior to the promo screening. It was a used print (the courier mentioned having seen this film 6 times before); I can vouch for the build-up and threading at the GVR, but not for whomever had it before us.

As for the framing, I've got nothing.I left before the show started, trusting my closing operator to handle things from that point. Clearly I was wrong. Floggings will commence directly.

Michael Walsh
Booth Manager
Green Valley Ranch 10"

Mike is really good at what he does and I can probably bet he totally soaked that print in Film Guard to reduce some of the damage but you can only polish a turd so much. Now if I can only get him to just get signed up here so I won't have to play middle man.

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Jared Thornton
Film Handler

Posts: 58
From: las vegas, NV, USA
Registered: Jan 2006

posted 10-20-2006 01:22 AM

Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to bring extra information to my attention. The fact that you are playing middle man shows that they do in fact care about presentation at Green Valley Ranch so I'm taking back my You Suck and offering my appologies to the projection staff and a great big You Don't Suck [thumbsup]

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Floyd Justin Newton
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 559
From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 10-20-2006 10:10 AM

Hey guys---

You can't repair STUPID !

[uhoh]

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Steve Scott
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1300
From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 10-20-2006 12:29 PM

Our Black Snake Moan trailer, attached by DFS on Jackass 2 was out of frame, complete with cat-scratches throughout.

Sadly, one of the few trailers I realy wanted to see, too. [Frown]

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Paul Van Dusen
Film Handler

Posts: 82
From: Roanoke, VA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 10-20-2006 01:44 PM

I've got just one acrossed the board question to ask. Is it that hard to put split reels back together properly. Nearly every movie I build up has at least one reel thats put together in such a way that I can't get the reel on the spindle of the makeup table. I have to break my tempo to take the reel apart and reassemble it like it should be. I dunno, maybe it's just me being picky.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 10-20-2006 02:53 PM

Paul, you will notice that only happens at ETS/DFS. Technicolor changed their mounting procedures a while back and it is now impossible for them to assemble a reel with the core in the wrong orientation.

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Monte L Fullmer
Film God

Posts: 8367
From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004

posted 10-21-2006 02:05 AM

quote: Paul Van Dusen
I have to break my tempo to take the reel apart and reassemble it like it should be. I dunno, maybe it's just me being picky.

You need to work in a 6 screen discount house like I do and have to face gobs of those ETS prints with goofed up reels on practically every week's change. Then, you'll learn not to be so picky.

Thing I have to watch for is when the end lead is all crinkled up, or folded in the core slot waiting for me to create a MUT collision into the platter - then is when I don't mind busting apart reels to get rid of that lead end mess in the core slot by getting scissor happy to make it neat - neat so I can put the flanges back together and have it actually clip together more tighter.

quote: Brad Miller
now impossible for them to assemble a reel with the core in the wrong orientation.

..but, once in a while still get reels falling apart, especially the white frosted ones..but I live with it and make the best do... My only small gripe is that when TECH, on those orange reels, uses two different kinds of flanges to make one reel and with this, the rolled leads can't be tucked in as good. Thus, I'll take the danged things apart and make matched sets as possible if I get quite the few mismatched reels for one movie..

OH, the fun things that a projectionist gets to do... - Monte

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Charles Greenlee
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 801
From: Savannah, Ga, U.S.
Registered: Jun 2006

posted 10-21-2006 10:10 PM

While working at the Carmike 10, I'd occasionally get a reel where the hub had no drive pin hole. I'd take an old soldering iron we had, let it heat up, and carefully push it through where the drive hole should be. Not recommened, was just a necessity. We only could build from our MUT, the rewind table didn't work, so we needed the drive pin. I'd hate to see what someone carelss would do to film trying fix the problem, especially how I fixed it. Worked great though.

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Paul Van Dusen
Film Handler

Posts: 82
From: Roanoke, VA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 10-22-2006 01:54 AM

quote: Monte L Fullmer
You need to work in a 6 screen discount house like I do and have to face gobs of those ETS prints with goofed up reels on practically every week's change. Then, you'll learn not to be so picky.

I'm not far off, I work at a 4 screen discount house. It's not that i'm trying to be picky though, it's just annoying that there are so many operators out there who don't give a damn about the next person that gets the print.

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Brian DeCiancio
Film Handler

Posts: 52
From: Warren, OH, USA
Registered: Sep 2002

posted 10-22-2006 02:47 PM

I own a drive-in but recently was recruited to help out a second-run indoor with 6 screens since we are now closed for the season.

Aside from the Century SA heads, all the equipment it basically crap or misadjusted.

I was horrified to see how the projectionists were taught how to thread and start the show:

Pull the ring off the "StupidPlatter";
collect about 20 wraps of film (only about 10 feet was actually leader);
throw it on the floor somewhere near the front of the projector (optional: don't step on any of it while threading);
force the film under the keeper rollers on the brain thereby loosening up rollers and knocking things out of alignment;
thread through projector with no regard for framing (after all, what is that big knob on the front for?);
finish threading back to the take-up platter;
start projector and wait up to 17 seconds for douser to open (they are all timed differently);
when douser opens, begin thrashing and twisting the scope lens into a minimally skewed position since all the positioning screws have been taken out;
after approximately the second preview has run, the framing and focus may be acceptable;
stroll across the room to manually dim the house lights

Where do I even start with this disaster????????

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