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Topic: updating trailers on a print that is held over
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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1260
From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-12-2002 05:09 AM
Uhm, I believe I understood what you mean with sponges.My question is: once you've removed the old trailer, how can you put in the "hole" another one? In other words, how can you rewind a trailer of the exact size of the left hole? Let's suppose that you have to change 16 trailers in a multiplex in just one show and two projectionists: is it possibile in your opinion? If made after the shows, how much time would you spend (again, two projs) to add/change 16 trailers? I'll wait for your answers! Bye
------------------ Antonio Marcheselli 16plex VisPathe' Campi Bisenzio Florence, Italy
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 11-12-2002 07:39 AM
Yes, an hour of film is enough to overcome the T-U elevator (shuttle, yo-yo or spring). It will not slip...not on a Christie, not on a SPECO, not on a POTTS/Strong...I won't eat my green eggs and ham!As to putting the previews back in...no problem...you have plenty of room...the fact they don't mate up (diameter wise) is of no consequence. If you got carried away with the size of the sponge, you could cause a platter like the Strong to not be able to keep up (since the payout speed is dependant on the TU speed). One operator could do your 16 trailer changes...at least _I_ could do all 16. But not all operators are created equal. What I can do or Brad or others isn't what everyone can do. I don't claim my methods will work safely for everyone. Steve ------------------ "Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"
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Dustin Mitchell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1865
From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 11-12-2002 09:41 AM
That sponge idea is a really good one Steve, I might give it a shot.I am in a gambling mood, so I'll attempt to describe my method for changing trailers without picture. I have a feeling this won't work, but here goes. Here is the situation. The trailer pack looks like this: 1) Ads 2) Trailer 1 3) Trailer 2 4) Trailer 3 5) Trailer 4 6) Trailer 5 7) Policy trailer/digital trailer Lets say you want to remove trailer 3 and put in a new one of approximately the same length. To do this, follow these steps: 1) Remove the center ring 2) Tear the splice between trailer 2 and trailer 3 3) Remove the first part of the trailer pack (everything before trailer 3) and place soundtrack down on an empty platter 4) Re-insert the center ring into the now seperated trailers. You may have to make it smaller to get it into the roll, but once its in there expand it until it is snug 5) Flip the trailer pack over and secure the center ring the platter. It should look like you're about to build up a movie and you just got the trailers onto the platter 6) Go back to the second half of the trailers. Break the splice between trailer 3 and trailer 4. Take out trailer 3 and set it to the side to be wound up later 7) Go back to the first half of the trailer pack. Splice the head of the new trailer to the tail of trailer 2. Now, spin the platter by hand until you have 'built' the new trailer onto the platter. Hold the core of the new trailer in place with your finger or a marker 8) Once the new trailer is in the pack and the tail is removed, pick the trailer pack off the platter and flip it upside down again. Remove the center ring 9) Take the now loose first half of your trailer pack and plop it into the hole in your print. Splice the tail of the new trailer to the head of trailer 4 Some notes: 1) The above procedure was developed using Strong platters. Other platters may require different methods 2) The above procedure assumes the new trailer won't be significantly longer than the old one. A Strong platter can handle an 'outward bulge,' ie the trailer pack bulging out of the 'hole' and the excess resting on top of the print, to be pulled down and through the brain during payout. Other platter may not be able to handle this. If your platter can not handle outward bulges, you could insert sponges ala Steve Guttags method to creat extra space for the new trailer. So, that's how I was taught. If there is something wrong with that feel free to point it out and I'll either defend my methods or abandon them for a better way.
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Shaun Flichel
Film Handler
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From: Regina, Sask., Canada
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 11-12-2002 11:33 AM
I have to admit, 2 years ago I tried changing trailers while the show was running, althought the show was about 15 mins from the end, and I could of waited, but of course, i got off 5 minutes after the scheduled end time, and theres no way in hell they would pay me to stay later. It does work, will I ever do it again, no. Shaun
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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-12-2002 02:16 PM
Dustin's method is decent, but you really don't need to mess with the center rings. I have half a dozen procedures, depending on which trailer(s) in the roll is being changed as to which is quickest. All-in-all, I can change out all 16 trailer packs at a 16 plex during one round by myself without the risk of pulling the center ring during the show and without having to jack with sponges. No big deal. You do have to plan a couple of things out before the first one in the round drops to get it all done though. That assumes you will use start timers and change-out trailers/thread in the order they drop. I am never around when the trailers run through. Never had a botched center drop in over 15 years, doing it on a weekly basis. So Steve, would you consider doing a center drop, then stringing up the print for a multiple screen interlock, setting the timers and leaving the building with no one in the booth? To me I can walk away without worrying about anything going wrong, and although I don't preach the idea, I have done this on many occasions without problems. However I do not like the idea of pulling the ring on a take-up platter, as that is the only absolute thing holding the film onto the deck. I once had a couple of ushers carrying a large box up to the booth for storage and one of them backed into a running platter. It was hard enough to throw the payout's film way off center and barely hanging over the edge, but it didn't actually fall off. With the pull of the takeup and an off center, ring-less print on the takeup platter, if I was running a print your way the first half of the movie would have been destroyed as it met with the floor. Each person has what they feel is a "safe" practice or not. You pull your rings and I'll not worry about being around when an interlock starts/runs. However you don't see me preaching my operator-less interlocks now, do you? 
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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 11-12-2002 02:26 PM
Go to the Rat Shack and buy you an X10 timer. It looks like a clock radio and has programmable times on it. Each clock can run 4 different items. Then hook up the momentary latch module to the start button and you will have 4 start timers (accurate to the second) with one programmable timer for under $100. Got a 12 screen? Buy in multiples of 3 and set for different "house codes". Put the clock on your booth desk and have remote control starts, or buy the wireless remote control and start/stop the movie from the auditorium. (Great for people who tend to have misframes, as the movie can be stopped before the splice hits the takeup roll.)Note: you may have to install a specialized outlet running off of one breaker that is left on all the time for the timer and each module, as the signals transmit through the 110V lines.
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