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Author Topic: updating trailers on a print that is held over Stephen Frazza Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Nutley, NJ, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 06-06-2004 10:58 PM                        I just happened to see this topic and read about the sponge trick. The next day one of the cues for start of credits wasn't being picked up.So normally I would reel it off the platter and fix it.But I went and bought some sponges and used them on the next show. Pure genius. Worked amazingly.I just had to express my joy with this tip.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 06-07-2004 01:42 AM                    What I do is I used a center ring with four trailers on it that are masking taped to make it look and weight like a heavy movie. The first show I remove the outgoing trailers and I used my modified center ring. After the show is over I removed the rind and the trailer pack and I add whatever trailers I need while putting the trailer pack back in the enlarged space. Hope that is not confusing.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-07-2004 01:10 PM                        Glad the "sponge trick" worked so well for you. Pretty good for an idea Kodak published in 1980! But I'm sure variants of the idea were in use since the "dawn of platters".  |  IP: Logged Andrew Shingleton Film Handler Posts: 63 From: Richmond, Victoria, Australia Registered: Feb 2004 posted 06-07-2004 04:44 PM                     We also use the "spinner" that Phil Blake posted about. I think it seems to be quite common in Australia - other places I've worked have also used a spinner and I know of a lot more that I haven't personally worked at that use them too. I can't imagine not having at least one - they make ad and trailer changes that much easier. Hopefully Phil is able to post some pictures as it's kinda hard to explain exactly how it works. If not I'll see if I can take some photo's myself.  |  IP: Logged Patrick de Groot Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-09-2004 05:00 PM                     A question about the method in the tips part of film-tech. Is there 1 trailer laying on top of the rewind roller in the picture above the text "Set the film on your rewind table's auto-stop roller and wind directly to a trailer core." or is this the whole trailer block as displayed on the previous picture? Thank you in advance for your clarification.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-09-2004 06:59 PM                     Only 1 trailer. If you put 2 or more, the film wants to flop off of the roller during winding over to the core.  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 06-09-2004 09:02 PM                        quote: Stephen Frazza I just happened to see this topic and read about the sponge trick. The next day one of the cues for start of credits wasn't being picked up.So normally I would reel it off the platter and fix it.But I went and bought some sponges and used them on the next show. Pure genius. Worked amazingly.I just had to express my joy with this tip. Yep. The sponge trick is how we've been doing it too. We've got long slender ones that look like oversized french fries. Four of them make a perfect ring around the platter.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-10-2004 04:49 AM                        quote: Brad Miller Only 1 trailer. If you put 2 or more, the film wants to flop off of the roller during winding over to the core. you can do more if you use your hand to steady the hanging film as it spins. i cup my hand around the film just under the roller on the left side so my fingers are barely touching the edges of the inside layer of film (and nowhere else). i can't quite figure why, but this helps keep the film from sliding against itself so the inner revolutions grow too big and spill out, as well as keeping the outer revolutions from falling off if they start to stray. i also wind first onto a reel, adding a little tension with my right hand, and then wind from the reel back onto the original trailer core with the original leaders. this way i get a tighter wind and they come out tails up (my own arbitrary preference for trailers). carl  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 10-31-2004 08:23 AM                        Now I have found the shift key The spinner we use to add and remove trailer to made up prints is pictured below. A very simple devive that makes changing trailers a breeze.  |  IP: Logged Andrew Shingleton Film Handler Posts: 63 From: Richmond, Victoria, Australia Registered: Feb 2004 posted 10-31-2004 05:57 PM                     Yep, that's the one! Three thumbs up from me!  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-31-2004 08:24 PM                        Would someone be so kind as to either upload or email me a picture of the sponge method in use? I always used empty cores, spaced out, to create enough of a break to pull any trailers I needed to pull. I like the method of being able to pull a complete pack and replace with a fresh new one using a center ring drop method. I tried to get the stong large take-up rings a while back but I wasn't able to get them. Does anyone here know what I'm talking about? It's a regular take-up ring, only larger, supposedly to facilitate trailer changeouts? Thanks!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-01-2004 09:16 AM                        The "sponge trick" was first discussed in the Kodak publication "Film Notes for Reel People", H-50-11, in 1980, available in the Film-Tech Manuals section: http://www.film-tech.com/manuals/H5011.pdf  |  IP: Logged Peter Mork Expert Film Handler Posts: 181 From: Newton, MA, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-01-2004 02:51 PM                     John, that manual has always bugged me:  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 11-01-2004 03:36 PM                        The original editor of "Film Notes", Paul Preo, must have had a "magic touch". Or "artistic license". (He's the guy with all the film on the floor in that issue).  |  IP: Logged Jeff Akin Film Handler Posts: 48 From: Salem, OR, USA Registered: Mar 2002 posted 11-01-2004 03:55 PM                        Jason, I have one of these large center rings. Inherited it when I took over this theatre a few years ago. I have no idea what I'd do without this ring. It is a true life saver when it comes to swapping out trailer sets.  |  IP: Logged

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