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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

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Brad and all others,

I'm so surprised that it is so easy to change trailers on platters. I hope that Brad will found time to make shots or video because it will help my daily job a lot.

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Antonio Marcheselli
16plex VisPathe' Campi Bisenzio
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Steve Guttag
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Yeah, Brad,...I'd do that too.

As to sponging the film...it is just one way and one that I find easier for me. You don't have to hit your mark with the sponge exactly...just in the vacinity. BTW...some people string a bunch of cores together (2" variety) and feed them in like a snake.

Again, using many types of platters, never had one slip...I also don't leave the pack out longer than it takes for me to service it and drop it back in.

Please, don't anyone feel they need to try my method(s). I'm not double-dog daring you or anything!

I also came from a time and place where managers would hand you a preview to have on for the next show...alot! Necessity is the mother of invention.

Steve

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Danny Hart
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Interesting discussion so far, reading all these different methods. Any mainstream cinema in the UK at the moment needs some kind of quick ad/trailer changing method, because of the insane amount of changes, every single week.

This week, for instance, as well as all the usual changes, we are being asked to change a 2 minute BT advert for a 90 second version (both for the same product), and also its positioning in the programme. The 2 minute version is only one for one day - the Harry Potter previews tomorrow (Thursday).

We use the large-sized take-up rings, available from Christie. We also use large make-up plates (imagine one side of a 6000ft spool with solid flanges). We've drilled holes in the make-up plates to accommodate the normal sized take-up rings.

When the time comes for the last performance before the programme change, we run the ads/trailers as normal onto a normal-sized ring. We then stop the show immediately before the feature starts. We cut the join between the end of the last ad/trailer and the feature, lace the feature onto a LARGE ring on the platter, then on with the show.

When the show’s running, we take the ads/trailers, put them onto our make-up plate and edit them on the bench. Once the show is finished, we just remove the large ring from the centre of the feature, drop the ads/trailers in and join the two together. Hurrah!

You don’t actually need the large rings from Christie to do this (I don’t know if other manufacturers make them for their systems), you can make them yourself, if you have plenty rings and loads of scrap film. Just run about 25 minutes (yes, we need that much here in the UK) of scrap onto a ring, grab some parcel tape and wrap, from inside to out, right the way around the ring.

I’ve also used the sponge method in the past - and still sometimes do. It’s a great way of removing just a single ad or trailer.

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Brad Miller
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quote:
"When the time comes for the last performance before the programme change, we run the ads/trailers as normal onto a normal-sized ring. We then stop the show immediately before the feature starts. We cut the join between the end of the last ad/trailer and the feature, lace the feature onto a LARGE ring on the platter, then on with the show."

There's just one problem with this method, you are damaging a piece of film when you do it. Then there's the other (minor) problem, you have to be there at precisely the right time and you have to stop the movie for so many seconds which looks weird when you are a customer sitting in a theater wondering if something went wrong.

Steve, in a pinch I have used cores when I needed to drop in a new reel 1 or reposition a lights up cue. In those situations, I would definitely prefer the sponges as I have to be EXTRA careful when I use the cores not to put a few horizontal scratches on the film where the cores were inserted.

By the way, I've seen platters throw a print because there were cores/sponges inserted into the roll. That is another reason why I really do not like that procedure.


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Carl Martin
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our union guy does our trailer changes after hours so it's not something i have to worry about, but there have been occasions when for one or another reason i've had to access the interior of the film mass and under the circumstances backing the film off onto 6k's was what made sense. sponges probably would have been a better method for excising some footage near the start of reel 2 as i was recently asked to do, but we didn't have any handy in the booth. illustrations i've seen of the method (in "reel people", eg.) show the film continuing to take up in a perfect circle after the sponges, but surely the film would tend to "square off", filling in the gaps between the sponges a little and making the takeup uneven. seems a bit scary. or am i wrong?

carl

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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As long as you place sponges symmetrically you'll usually be OK.


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John Hawkinson
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Surely in the absence of sponges a folded cotton wipe would serve fine (or a clean pocket handkerchief, if you still carry one...).

Brad, I assume you mean the 1" cores. For a moment I had a vision of trying to replace a platter's center ring with a 4" plastic core, but quickly concluded you didn't mean that.

--jhawk

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Brad Miller
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Actually John, no I meant the 4 inch cores. That gives plenty of room to pull a stretch of film out of the roll to do cue work or repair a splice without having to unload the film. Saves a ton of time, but some platters will toss a print like that.

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Alex Grasic
Film Handler

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Two things that I have and use: Strong Platters and an EZ Ring!! Can't get easier than that...can it?

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System Notices
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It has been 563 days since the last post.


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Dino Panagiotopoulos
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The EZ-Ring has got the be the greatest invention ever made for a booth.......except maybe for a chair.

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Phil Blake
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Hi All,

When adding and removing trailers we use a "Film Spinner" this simple device fits onto a blank spindle that locks into the payout module socket. Film is wound onto it , join is cut , the the spinner is placed onto a split reel and trailers added or changed on the bench. Film is then wound onto the spinner , placed back onto the platter , re joined , pin removed from the spinner and bingo the film is left back in the original place ready to go. Makes changing trailers a breeze.

To look at some pictures on this device go to

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Phil

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Brad Miller
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Phil, please use the UPLOAD feature to put your images on the FT web server so they are always around for archival purposes. Linking off site for these sort of things is not permitted, as your web page will not be around forever.

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Phil Blake
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tryed to upload image, but would not let me proceed saying password incorrect , trusting the password is the same as my logon one ?

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Brad Miller
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Same password. Full instructions are on the UPLOAD page in the box to your left.

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