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Author Topic: Comments and Info on Robert Film Service Lamphouse / Reflector Upgrades Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-27-2004 02:27 PM                     The Cinelite connection to National Cinema Supply maybe at arms length. Dan Miller, who was in the booth, has involvement in both companies.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-27-2004 03:14 PM                     Richard, You are correct! They slipped up and left a National Cinema Supply card in the brochure folder they gave me. Not to worry though as we still plan on giving it a try. Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Mark A. MacLellan Film Handler Posts: 23 From: Montreal, Quebec Registered: Jul 2003 posted 03-27-2004 03:32 PM                    On 08-08-03 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "Nothing about that stuff is special. Thats an Ernamann reflector and what appears to be a standard 3kw Christie xenon lamp. I guess thats why he is so secrative about the whole thing........there's nothing special at all in there." Note: the reflector and lamp in question are the Technalight glass reflector and the OSRAM 4200W/GS. On 09-01-03 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "Perhaps the pending has been rejected..... perhaps all this is nothing new and is all available off the shelf as others here have pointed out." On 09-03-03 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "I can unequivocally state that we nor our customers ever consider buying or having any dealings with NCS." On 03-04-04 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "I would have to say that having to purchase anything through NCS would preclude our ever using it." And then... On 03-25-04 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "What I will say is that this modification apprently does work and will for the most part perform as claimed." On 03-25-04 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "All in all we are still interested in trying this system out for ourselves and expect the claims made to be true for the most part." On 03-27-04 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "Our Technilite installations would mainly be in drive ins and on large indoor screens." On 03-27-04 Mark Gulbrandsen wrote: "...left a National Cinema Supply card in the brochure folder they gave me. Not to worry though as we still plan on giving it a try." And there's my absolute favourite, from 03-25-04: "...for those that have criticised it and failed to do their homework."  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 03-27-2004 04:06 PM                     The battlebot war between the Marks To quote another Mark by the name of Twain....."It is no harm to be an ass, if one is content to bray and not kick" ......"A man with a humped-backed uncle mustn't make fun of another man's cross eyed aunt."....Car vous vieillissez vous deviendrez plus humble ( not Twain but bad French )  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-27-2004 04:09 PM                     Yes Mark, And so whats your point? I did brush aside anything I did say in the past. I DID do my homework on both sides of the fence while at Showest and came up with the information I supplied above..... Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-27-2004 10:10 PM                        Y'know, this package has been debated to death for over a year now. I've seen their presentation, and I have no opinion on it, one way or another. But, looking back on it all, I'm wondering if it's not just a matter of convenience for the exhibitor. Many of you guys are, at one level or another, expert in the technical practice of this art. What Technilite does may not be very impressive to you, especially if you have the ability to supervise a system from spec to final operation. But, for the schlub out there who doesn't have the benefit of your collective expertise, perhaps it can be said that Technilite has put a package together that exhibits some level of improvement over what's in a lot of those booths now. If one of you was commissioned to maximize light efficiency at a particular theatre, you might also take a systems approach, evaluating and making changes in the reflector, lamp, shutter & lens combinations that you personally consider optimal. THAT opens wide a discussion over what constitutes "optimal", which also probably means there's no possible resolution to this thread other than locking it altogether  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-27-2004 10:24 PM                        quote: And there's my absolute favourite, from 03-25-04: "...for those that have criticised it and failed to do their homework." It's hard to do homework on a system when getting real information about it from the 'manufacturer' is like pulling teeth. It also bothers me when it is insisted that lenses be changed at the same time as the lamphouse upgrade. Yes, I know I need new lenses, but I'd really like to see that the lamphouse upgrade made a difference, and it wasn't just the difference due to getting rid of my mouldy old B&L lenses. In any case, I now have my very own install that I can compare against an identical non-upgraded system... once the snow goes away. Yip de doo dah!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-27-2004 10:52 PM                     Actually Daryl, You could have pretty much gotten all the info you needed to know at Showest. With Roberts, Osram, and the President of Optiform all present there. All gladly answered all of the questions asked of them. Indeed the lens change is something that is not even discussed in the literature package but was discussed in person by Robert. There is also a USL light meter comparison shown of one lamphouse of unknown brand to an after install of the conversion. Now this is about as meaningless as anything can get. Of course its easy to double the light on a screen when going from something like a CH20 then installing a Phoenix kit and new lenses.... that easily doubles the light levels. Now this kit sells down here for about 3K or so and the Phoenix kit lists for $2.5K and costs us far less than that. The Technalite kit installs in about a half hour according to its inventor....or as my boss pointed out to him.... add about 4 hours to that half hour if you properly clean out the lamphouse and rectifier first! Good luck with yours...hope it works out well. Mark  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-27-2004 11:07 PM                        Unfortunately getting all the information I needed to know at Showest wasn't an option when I needed to know 9 and 1/2 months ago when I started this thread after being in contact with Robert and finding the information he provided to be quite spotty. Anyways, at least the upgrade was done to a setup that needed to be upgraded in some way anyway. Hopefully it doesn't just turn out to be an expensive lens upgrade. I don't think that will be the case though, now that after months of prodding enough information has been revealed to make the claims somewhat more believable. Also, for what it's worth, it's my understanding that the upgrade took substantially longer than 1/2 an hour, but the installation time is really a non-issue since it's covered in the upgrade cost regardless of how long it takes.  |  IP: Logged

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