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Author Topic: LOTR: Return of the King will have 3 DTS discs John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-09-2003 02:27 PM                     On rebooting: Darryl is correct that normally, a DTS-6D will reboot whenever any CDROM drive is ejected. This is a software feature, however, it is not a hardware feature of the box. It's quite plausible to believe that ROTK will include a special DTS.EXE that does not reboot-on-eject, in order to facilitate disc swapping, should that be necessary. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-09-2003 02:36 PM                     quote: It's quite plausible to believe that ROTK will include a special DTS.EXE that does not reboot-on-eject, in order to facilitate disc swapping, should that be necessary. I agree, THAT's the way dts should be handling this. So long as they make sure that the reels are in order on the A, B, C discs and they filled the B disc as full as they could, this would be very easy. That would give the theaters a solid hour and a half to do the disc swap from A to C in and since 3 discs total roughly 5 hours of running time there is no reason not to put the reels in order.  |  IP: Logged Larry Zuverink Film Handler Posts: 98 From: Caledonia, MI, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 09-09-2003 03:13 PM                     I know for a fact that there was a thread hear where people were mad that DTS didn't install a hard drive. Now everyone seems mad that they have one. On the reboot issue, I am almost sure that reboot takes place on the close of the drive. Not that that makes a big difference.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 09-09-2003 04:32 PM                        The dts-6D constantly monitors all three drives even though the files are not fragmented across both discs but organized in reel files like Mike said. However, in my experience the A drive on the dts-6 goes to sleep once it is done playing the first half of the movie. Or maybe it has something to do with the type of drive? Most of my dts-6 are upgraded for TEAC drives, but I have a few which still have the Toshiba. I haven`t had time to check yet, but maybe those drives are the old Toshiba and the ones which are constantly accessing the CDs are the TEAC.  |  IP: Logged Ron Yost Master Film Handler Posts: 344 From: Paso Robles, CA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 09-09-2003 05:04 PM                     Isn't DTS flatly saying in their note that current cd-based devices won't be able to handle this show, tho? That's how I read it. Seems the decisions have already been made on their end. Ron Yost  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-09-2003 05:10 PM                     Since I'm the only one that has run this picture. From all these posts I'm going to run it SRD or SDDS, because of all of the DTS stuff. The New York critics will be seeing this in SRD only.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-09-2003 05:17 PM                     Ron: No, DTS is saying that their discontinued, obsolete DTS-6 player (2-drive), which they have not sold for years, cannot handle this movie. They have made no such statement about the DTS-6D, the current model 3-drive player. Let's be careful what we spread. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-09-2003 05:35 PM                        In my experience TEAC's leds are continuously flashing all toghether. But the driver from wich the player is reading flashes brighter. I do not think that the player is accessing all three cds when playing. John, You mean that DTS6 canno handle this film without an intermission or loosing few moments of digital during disks swap.... Bye A  |  IP: Logged Ron Yost Master Film Handler Posts: 344 From: Paso Robles, CA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 09-09-2003 06:20 PM                     Ah, that's good .. I guess. Thank you, and carry on. Ron Yost  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-09-2003 06:44 PM                     Going back to Brad's method for checking DTS CDs via computer, I wonder if one could hack the DTS.EXE and arrange the reel number .aud files in such a way on custom burned CDs so the DTS-6 player wouldn't reboot when discs were swapped? quote: I know for a fact that there was a thread hear where people were mad that DTS didn't install a hard drive. Now everyone seems mad that they have one. I don't think people are mad the XD-10 has a hard drive. The thing that irks me is the low trade in bonus for switching a DTS-6 player for a new XD-10 unit without any movies that truly take advantage of the XD-10's capablities. The XD-10 really seems like a marvelous unit. But DTS should have created a new kind of scaleable cinema processor to twin with this machine or worked with a company like Panastereo to get such a thing developed. As far as I can tell at this point, the 8 and 10 channel (or more) capability of the XD-10 may never get used. We sure aren't seeing any 10 channel movies being announced. What manager or district manager is going to be able to convince his higher ups to upgrade just so "Return of the King" will play all the way through in DTS? My feeling is a lot of DTS-equipped houses will have 2/3 of the movie playing in digital and let the rest play in optical --or just run it in optical only (very likely in a lot of places). Is it simple to swap a DTS-6 in a large auditorium booth rack with a DTS-6D from another house? Aren't there some snags from these machines being configured to particular cinema processor connections? Our Carmike's DTS-6 machines are paired with Dolby CP-65 processors, whereas all the other units are hooked up to Smart CPs.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-09-2003 06:50 PM                     Bear in mind if the movie isn't too long, it is entirely possible that the 3 cds from dts could be copied to a hard drive, trailers and unnecessary bs deleted, then reburned onto 2 700MB discs. Dts only uses 650MB discs, so even right there we have an unnecessary limitation. This would by all means be the simplest and most cost effective solution...but again it all depends on the length of the film. Using this idea, the movie could be 3 hours 35 minutes, assuming the length of each reel worked out nicely. Does anyone have an estimated running time for this yet?  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-09-2003 06:57 PM                    here is the way it works. The CD-Roms run continuously until you remove a disk. What I mean is this. They continue to spin even though no information is being read off of it. That is why the two green led's stay lit to show that both drives ore working with a disk in them. Then the led's have a distinct flash of brightnes when a disk is being read. If you look at one drive you will notice a lot of flashing. If you look at the other drive you will see an occasional flash. That is the system making sure that the disk is still there and it is the same one. I ran Gods and Generals but I had split the film at intermission to allow the custmers an extra couple of minutes of intermission and to allow the disk change. So I do not know for a fact that the disk stayed running. But the exe file could have told the unit to allow a disk swap but probably only if you had the upgraded Rom drives not the Caddy drives. If you remove a disk the other drive will revert back to booting up thinking that another disk was incerted. It will reboot its self until it starts to play again even without the second disk. That's the way it has been since I ran Jurrasic Park in 94. As far as the caddys they still spinned the disk you just didn't see the disk activity light stay on continuouse. The led only blinked when information was being read. as far as the disk swapping back and forth at reel changes. This can occure if during the processing phase it is detemined that more information can be stored on a disk based on the size of each reel file. That is what they did with the Titanic disks.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-09-2003 07:39 PM                     quote: I know for a fact that there was a thread hear where people were mad that DTS didn't install a hard drive. Now everyone seems mad that they have one. The hard drive doesn't upset me. I personally don't find it enough of an attraction to upgrade but I'm certainly not mad about it. I have mixed feelings about DTS. I admired the combination of reliability, ease-of-use and affordability. Technically, DTS has proven to be the most reliable digital audio system. That's my experience. My DTS-6 units (2-drawer) are still working fine; same is true for my 6D units. I have been very happy with their performance technically. Unfortunately -- as many users have reported -- it is annoying to have this conceptually wonderful system just sitting there doing nothing due to apparent problems with getting discs to ship out simultaneously with the prints. That's a serious problem that has not been solved in nearly ten years since implementation. After seeing nearly every one of our movies open with analog sound, we finally decided to upgrade to Dolby Digital. The DTS units have been moved over to the graveyard theatres and, quite often, a movie will final without ever playing in DTS. It's disgusting. Icing on the Cake: DTS only has one good logo trailer (DTS Flying Disc) and that one is nearly a decade old. The alternative trailer (Sonic Landscape) is old too and, well, it just plain sucked even when it was new. So you see -- It isn't the hard drive that upsets me. It's not that at all. From a somewhat broader perspective, what upsets me most is an overall trend on the part of the audio industry (apparently acting in cahoots with the distributors) to force constant upgrading. Six-channel digital sound has been a great benefit to the exhibition industry. Adding a back surround channel did not deliver the implied (fiscal) impact. I don't believe it was worth the expense and trouble that went into the EX upgrade. For that matter, the aesthetic value of the EX channel is debatable, in my opinion. Finally, let me ask you this: Do we really need 10 channels?  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 09-09-2003 07:54 PM                        Hi all, To clarify a couple of points: DTS units with 3 drives (the DTS-6D and DTS-6AD) will have no trouble with a 3 disc release, other than not having a free drive for the trailer subscription disc. The only unit that will be unable to play a 3 disc film properly is the discontinued DTS-6. It really does appear as if Return of the King will require 3 DTS discs due to running time. If we can fit it onto a 2-disc set, we will. As a heads up, the extended versions of Fellowship and Two Towers are also likely to be 3-disc sets. While an .exe fix could be used to prevent rebooting the player while swapping discs on the fly, there would still be a DTS dropout of a considerable amount of time while the player scanned the header info in the new disc, which turns out to be not so easy to fix with an .exe hack. Thus our recommendation that theaters still using the 2-drive units take advantage of the rebate offer on the XD-10.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-09-2003 08:30 PM                    Right but there are a lot of old two drawer dts units out there that still work good and to justify spending the money to cover the cost after rebate is some what unjust for just one 3 disk movie. Not saying there is anything wrong with the new units.  |  IP: Logged

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