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Author Topic: LOTR: Return of the King will have 3 DTS discs Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-10-2003 02:03 AM                        quote: Bobby is correct in saying that most theaters will not pay for the upgrade to an XD-10 to be able to play this one movie. Well sure, but you DO get to keep the unit for all the movies to come. The best thing about it is not having to futz with the disks...they load onto the hard drive and then they go right back in the can.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-10-2003 02:06 AM                     quote: Well sure, but you DO get to keep the unit for all the movies to come. Ok, I'm going to play Devil's advocate here since I notice a dts6 2 drawer player in your picture. Would YOU trade in your existing player which will also continue to "play all the movies to come" at great expense if there was a more reasonably priced way of using your current unit for this film? Also, I think there are plenty of people who would easily pay $1500 for a fully working 2 drawer system. As such, why not buy an XD-10 flat out and sell your existing player for $1500 to a theater that is strapped for cash and could really benefit from such a well priced system? Anyone considering the tradeup may want to give the "equipment for sale" forum a shot first. I can easily see where that would be a "win win" situation for both parties.  |  IP: Logged Jim Leko Film Handler Posts: 90 From: Redondo Beach, CA, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-10-2003 02:28 AM                     quote: As such, why not buy an XD-10 flat out and sell your existing player for $1500 to a theater that is strapped for cash and could really benefit from such a well priced system? Just out of curiosity, how much is a XD-10 flat out?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-10-2003 02:29 AM                        I need to update my picture....I DID trade that unit in. We bought an XD10 from John Eickhof, who gave me a very good price on it and installed it for free during a routine service visit. The old unit was installed in '95 and has worked fine, but in the last 6 months it had been dropping into analog quite often at various random times, and rebooting by itself for no reason. (I had been blaming timecode, but replacing a reel here and there did not cure it so I suppose the drive(s) were wearing out.) We decided to do the upgrade rather than try to fix it because I figured it's going to have to be replaced SOMEDAY anyway and that rebate probably won't be around forever. (Although I admit to being a little frosted that the rebate is MORE now than it was when we bought the thing.)  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 09-10-2003 05:43 AM                        Very short version: LOTR3 will give trouble on 2-drawer systems only, when played without intermission. With disc chance during intermission, no problems at all. -Right or wrong ? Per  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 09-10-2003 08:34 AM                     Two words: dolby digital We will be playing it in SDDS though (we have it on all screens), and besides the fact that most everyone here doesn't like it, it is the most reliable for us. As for the hacks, it would work. But as far as the one drive going to sleep, I don't know if that's the case. I'm sure that all 3 drives are constant scanning, ready for a change, even if the CD is done, it's just logical. The 99 minute CD's probably don't work b/c the software is written to accept DTS disks and DTS disks only. Does anyone know where I can find decent information about the DTS disk format, I'd like to play around with this, thanks.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-10-2003 11:15 AM                     DTS discs are just plain old CD-ROMs. The small DTS.EXE program is in the root, and the audio files are in the DTS subdir, along with a listing of what is in the trailer file. The length of the disc (or what speed it was recorded at) has nothing to do with how a DTS disc is layed out. The problem with 99 minute discs is that some players can't move the read head far enough into the center to play the bigining of the disc.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-10-2003 12:30 PM                    The toshiba 2x drives would not load the CD-rom copy that we had but it would work on the teac drives. You would think that it would work but it wouldn't.  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-10-2003 12:34 PM                        Darryl I once tried a regular CDR on my old two drives SCSI 2x Caddy drives player (1993) with absolutely no problems. However I just think that if DTS says that there could be some problems (swapping the disk at half the movie loosing 60 second of digital sound) playing a 2003 movie in a 1993 piece of technology can be considered normal... I would consider myself lucky that I can still use this 1993 piece of technology and put a "Digital Sound" plate out of my old cinema's door as the new megaplex down the street... Bye A  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 09-10-2003 12:40 PM                    who knows what the deal was on that. All I know right now is that nothing is going to get changed as far as the dts units exchanged for money of the newer models. I am hoping that we can work something out in reguards to the things I mentioned in another post.  |  IP: Logged Ron Yost Master Film Handler Posts: 344 From: Paso Robles, CA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 09-10-2003 01:13 PM                     $1,500 for an ancient computer, with two non-obtanium, well-used, SCSI CD drives that could die, permanently, at -any moment-?? I don't think so. Not this old po(o)p. DD is looking more attractive all the time, and there's no darned discs to fiddle with. This old, near worn-out electronic stuff is waaaaaay overvalued, IMHO. 10-20% on the dollar of new-value is more like it. Ron Yost  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 09-10-2003 05:13 PM                        While I won't discount the cost of adding a new DTS XD10 unit, wouldn't this be an excellent opportunity to shuffle your older DTS units to one of your other screens, and have the shiny new XD10 in your primary screen that you'll be playing LOTR in? Businesses do this all the time with their computer equipment. New machines replace older machines which replace obsolete machines which are given away (if possible). I don't know what the sticker price for the XD10 is, but if you look at the cost amortized over the usable lifetime of the product, the impact may not hurt so much. Perhaps upcoming movies will not require 3 discs, but it's a pretty good bet that the other features offered by the new unit will be utilized in some way in the future.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 09-10-2003 05:25 PM                     I wish you could tell our theatre to get new XD-10's to replace our 4 DTS-6's. This way, we could have digital sound on all 14 screens. As it stands now, we still have 3 houses that lack digital sound. Something tells me we will never get the XD-10. AJG  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-10-2003 06:26 PM                     quote: Two words: dolby digital When your theater already has DTS on every screen? You're talking the same difference as just buying a new XD-10 unit. At least with the XD-10, you can build the DTS flying disc snipe into the print without worrying about changing it. Not to poo poo the DD idea completely, but the only way the theater here would put in a DD unit would be in a rollaround cart. Then you have the issue of installing numerous penthouse or basement readers and those rack plug in thingies that make the rollaround cart a neat idea. quote: $1,500 for an ancient computer, with two non-obtanium, well-used, SCSI CD drives that could die, permanently, at -any moment-?? I don't think so. Not this old po(o)p. Very inaccurate analogy. Even when DTS-6 players were newly introduced, the motherboards were already aging and cheap technology. The first DTS-6 players had Intel 386 chips for the CPU. The !486 chip was already old, Pentium 60MHz and 66MHz computers were widely available with the 100MHz P1 fixing to ship. The proprietary boards and connections in the unit are what made the system expensive. That $3,500 introductory price quickly went up to $5,900. My best guess (without looking up anything) is somewhere around 6,000 or so DTS-6 units were sold before the introduction of the 6D. That's a lot of players. And I would bet a fairly high percentage of those units are still working. I think the significant installed base of still-operational DTS-6 machines is enough of a marketing issue that New Line Cinema should think about putting an intermission in "Return of the King." The biggest factor that cries out for an intermission is a plea of mercy for our bladders. Has Peter Jackson been to a movie lately? Does he not know many audience members will be drinking oil-drum sized sodas while his movie plays? C'mon let's be reasonable here! If I am facing a movie running over 3 hours in length, I have a tough choice to make. Buy a soda and have to piss before the movie is through or just not buy anything at all. Dude, f**king buy a clue!  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 09-10-2003 07:05 PM                        Did anybody mention the list price of this new XD 10 thing ? Per  |  IP: Logged

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