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Author Topic: New DTS Anti-Piracy Security Enhancements John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 12-03-2003 07:04 PM                     Generally agree with everyone... however, the studios may be pressuring DTS to, ..."do something, damnit!" So they made this announcement. I'm sure they don't really hate their customers, Joe! Unless, of course, every previously manufactured DTS player will require a firmware "upgrade" to read the new format.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-03-2003 07:34 PM                        If the studios are pressuring DTS to do something... well I have a hard time believing that. Why would they do that? If they don't care enough to get rid of DVD screeners, what the hell would they care about DTS discs for? Why would anyone? I think it truly is a "me too" announcement like Larry said. They want to be seen as "anti-piracy" so studios will like them. Another example of fixing a problem that doesn't exist.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-03-2003 07:45 PM                  Not "fixing" a problem...but more like creating MANY more. I'm sure more films will play in DD because of this lame decision. It's already hard enough to get the disks with the prints. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-03-2003 07:57 PM                     This is just plain silly. What good are DTS discs without the film, and the film has an analog track, not to mention DD, and SDDS. This is what I like to call management-moron thinking. Some idiots brain-fart, based on total lack of reality. From now on any interlocking of projectors will have to be done with DD, or SDDS. If you can't use your DTS units when you need them, then no one will be buying them anymore. This could be the same system used by some CD makers, that plants a program in your computer (sounds like a virus to me, this should be illegal) that will not let you copy the disc. All you have to do is turn off the CD auto-start, and the program doesn't get planted.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-03-2003 08:09 PM                     There's easily 3000 to 5000 theater screens equipped with old 2-drive DTS-6 machines. How is all this new anti-piracy stuff going to be compatible with those units, much less the many thousands of 3-drive DTS-6D machines? Most movie theater circuits are still in pretty tight financial situations. If Hollywood forces DTS to make changes to its system that are not fully backward compatible with all existing units, then a lot of DTS-equipped screens will simply revert to playing movies only in analog. And then that will drive a good number of customers into the "I never go to the theater; I only visit the video store" camp. If changes were made that forced all the DTS-equipped screens in my town to be analog only I would rarely ever visit a movie theater. Sorry, but I am spoiled by 5.1 audio and it is a rare thing for me to put up with an optical track unless I'm watching an art film or something like that. Clearly the morons calling for all this copy protection overkill are NOT DOING ANY MARKETING STUDIES ON THIS SHIT! Do they not realize all of the money losing negative blowback that garbage creates? Morons!  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-03-2003 08:15 PM                     quote: How is all this new anti-piracy stuff going to be compatible with those units, much less the many thousands of 3-drive DTS-6D machines It's claimed to be a software change, which would be flashed the first time a machine boots up a disc with the new software on it. I've got a suggestion. How about fining theaters who don't return their discs? What's the difference if the discs aren't copyable if the "market" is flooded with originals? Is there really a "market" for discs anyway? Sure, you can rig up a DTS player with a tc generator and play anything and record it. BUT WHY?! So someone can re-mux the audio with a separately pirated video and make it 5.1? Puh-lease! Anyone with the ability to do such a thing is more than likely going to have access to a projection booth where they can just pigtail off the back of the processor and record it in sync with the projected image. After their first try at re-muxing separate sources, they're going to find that the audio sync drifts from the image because of slight variations in projector speed.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-03-2003 08:28 PM                  Adam said: quote: How about fining theaters who don't return their discs? That would fly just as well as fining theatres that damage prints. While in my opinion, I'd LUV to see all of that, it will never happen. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-03-2003 08:32 PM                     Actually, it would fly just about as well as the AMPAS screener ban did.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-03-2003 08:41 PM                        Hey, DTS already has the best copy protection that's been implimented for years.....their proprietary scheme of just not shipping the disks with the prints in the first place! Frank  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2003 08:49 PM                        I don't think the DTS folks are idiots and I don't think they hate their customers. They are in business. They know that if they make it hard on their customers they will lose them. So does it make good business sense to be hard on your customers??? NO They want their customers to love them. They want it to be easy to have and use a DTS system, so they can sell their system and MAKE MONEY What other reason could they have for doing something sure to PO their customers? How about maybe they are the victims of a witch hunt by the studios. Maybe they have no choice. Does it make more sense that they want to PO their customers or that they are FORCED to PO their customers? If you were in business for yourself would purposefully TRY to make it hard on your customers? If yes, why? You guys sound like some kind of crazy lynch mob. Think about it and lighten up! Geezus  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-03-2003 09:14 PM                    Egad people, you are missing the point. DTS has no interest in thwarting nonexistant soundtrack piracy. DTS is obviously taking a proactive stance against the possibility that in the near future someone will get creative and cob together PC software that will read their files, decompress the audio in software and pump the sound out via a 5.1 audio card. All that's needed is something to interface their timecode reader and you have a DTS player for US$800. THAT, friends, is what they are trying to avoid. Too bad too because such a development, which I tend to think would be inevitable if not thwarted, could have made DTS the absolutely universal digital audio standard...on every screen from flagship houses to the Princess II in Watseka, IL. I have a DTS6. I really only use it when I feel like it since I have SR•D as well. But on the theory that less compression = better sound sometimes if I get disks (not too common with my early screenings) I may use it. If DTS wants to give me a new box I'll put it in. But if my venerable box becomes obsolete because new firmware chips to go with encrypted disks are not made for my no-longer-supported box then I'm afraid that will be the end of DTS for me. I don't see a payback for investing in a replacement.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 12-03-2003 09:18 PM                     I was at a lab in Asia where "Kill Bill" was being printed for the local market recently; they had four people inspecting, packing and verifying each release print for security. They also supplied the DTS master under high security handling to the disk duplicator....this was not Eastman Kodak ( print film ) or DTS / Dolby's ( sound track )fault but what the studios required. DTS is able to master and supply disks within two days, if there is proper coordination...then it is the studio's ball to play with.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2003 09:24 PM                        I just read the press release again. To me it sounds more like they're just going to make the disks uncopyable. I don't see where it says anything about players having to be upgraded.  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2003 09:34 PM                        I do not doubt that there is a problem with piracy. But I think the studios are looking for the pirates in the wrong place. When you can see and hear a film on the Internet before it is in the theaters, then obviously the leak is not in the exhibitors's end, but in the studio's end. As far as anti piracy software is concerned, the only encryption method I know of that has never been broken is the scrambling technique used to scramble HBO and the like. And the only reason it was not broken is because it violated national security laws to even attempt to break it. If a human can encrypt it, a human can break the encryption.  |  IP: Logged James Falloon Film Handler Posts: 72 From: Wigram, Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: Oct 2003 posted 12-03-2003 09:59 PM                     I think Steve is correct, it won't be long before someone figures out how to play the discs on a pc. for example http://sourceforge.net/projects/in-dtsc/ Also I bet you bottom dollar thay wont play on the old DTS units, thus theatres will HAVE to buy new units if they want to run them, which equals more money for them.  |  IP: Logged

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