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Richard Fowler
Film God

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From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 07-04-2004 04:16 PM

Cool

A horizontal film elevator, now Brad's e-mail requests make sense [Big Grin]

. Tom's quote that it can't be done in Florida is bull. In the early 1970's at Planet Ocean in humid Miami we had a 35mm system that was automated to play 1 to 3 shows an hour in a 12 hour day. A feature of the unit was a "hold" for delaying next start for several minutes ( with countdown ) for crowd control purposes which was an elevator system in addition to the film cabinet in which the film would dump into. We tested the unit for 3 months from 45 - 98% humidity levels.....system ran for 5 years. The per cap makes this not your typical cinema with the cost savings saved in the efficient use of the restaurant end to pay for this projection set-up. [beer]

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

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From: Hollywood, CA USA
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posted 07-04-2004 04:26 PM

Remember, Kodak recommends the booth remain between 50 and 60 percent RH non-condensing.

I would post the link, but I'm sure someone else will be along to post it. [Wink]

>>> Phil

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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posted 07-04-2004 06:02 PM

quote: Thomas Procyk wrote:
That's another thing I didn't understand. Why the dumb look from Joe when he's figuring out how to thread a movie on a platter that's got something taking up already? The AW3 can take up two prints at once... I don't get the "trauma"...

Thomas, Brad asked me to pose for that pic in order to make people laugh. And it worked! I am getting constant phone calls of people laughing their asses off and then hanging up.

And the AW3 CANNOT take up two different films at once like you say. You could add some rollers to it and it could be done, but no way a standard AW3 could do that. But none of Brad's platters take up more than one film at a time nor do they have to. Retard.

Florida sucks.

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Phil Hill
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posted 07-04-2004 06:08 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Florida sucks

>>> Phil

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Steve Kraus
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posted 07-04-2004 10:20 PM

How much force is being applied to the film from the sprocket that is pulling 2000' feet of film through all those rollers vs. how much force can the film stand? I note that the Disney roller cabinets have driven sprockets as well as rollers which is why these setups can run film literally until the dye fades with virtualy no wear.

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
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posted 07-04-2004 11:12 PM

Getting back to the "contest", I wonder if there are any old good running manual carbon-arc houses running around in the DFW area. I am certain that Steve, Scott, Pete, Bob, Gordon, Mark, and myself could beat the pants off Brad and run him in circles when it comes to showmanship and quality presentation. [evil]

Brad, if you think I am going to forget about our little challenge, well, sir, you are simply out of your frikkin' tree! [Big Grin]

What do you have available for a "training house" in your area?

Now, this would really be fun. I think we would beat you with one arm tied behind our backs. Some of us can completely thread a projector in it's entirety - while the damned thing is running. [Wink]

I might be a little rusty on that...I have not done it within the last 20 years or so.

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Richard Fowler
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posted 07-04-2004 11:37 PM

Florida sucks [Confused]

This doesn't bother me, I live in the Southern Republic of Miami [Cool]

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-05-2004 12:03 AM

Sorry Paul, but DFW is a little more up to date on things. We have them newfangled xenons and platters! [Razz]

I'd be willing to try it though if the drive isn't too far away. However being able to thread a projector while it is running is about the most useless thing I can imagine for being a projectionist. BTW, I will hold you to that, so start practicing. I'll set you in front of a Kinoton, a Century SA and a JJ converted to run 70mm for your demonstration. [evil]

Steve, in regards to the tension, amazingly little! Start up is the crucial issue. Also important is the use of bearing based rollers, the larger the better. The picture I posted on the last page showed us doing the delay on those little 1 inch Strong rollers and although there was no hint of stress damage after many passes, I ended up changing everything out to the 3 inch Kelmar rollers as they substantially reduced the tension. Also the distance between rollers plays into the tension factor a great deal. The closer they are, the greater the tension coming out of the accumulation. Of course if they are too far away, the film hits the ground. 40 feet is bare minimum. 60 feet is the maximum you can go.

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Paul G. Thompson
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posted 07-05-2004 12:06 AM

Cool. But I don't know where they are. Do you know of any?

Bah! Learning to do that adds to the ability to stay on the screen in event a loop is lost or a sprocket derailment happens. In most cases, it is not necessary to shut the machine down if one knows how to do it.

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Brad Miller
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posted 07-05-2004 12:12 AM

I think Fargo has one in somebody's garage. I've never seen pictures though, so it's probably just a bunch of bs. [Wink]

Other than that, I'll bet there are less than a dozen still running when you don't count Telluride. Who knows how far we would have to travel, and even at that there is no telling what kind of condition the booth upkeep would be like.

Bah! Why would a loop be lost or a sprocket derailment happen? Don't you inspect film before you run it? I can't think of when that has ever happened to me. US Navy training must suck. [Big Grin]

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Paul G. Thompson
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posted 07-05-2004 12:15 AM

There's hardly nothing up here in Washington State, either. Ken Layton might be able to verify if there is or is not. He is well-tuned to manual booths.

You said:

quote: Brad Miller
Bah! Why would a loop be lost or a sprocket derailment happen? Don't you inspect film before you run it? I can't think of when that has ever happened to me. US Navy training must suck.

HAR HAR FRIKKIN' HAR...Did you ever have the task of running an old acetate print you know damned well "is not going to make it?" - and yet a replacement is not available? Do you remember the pictures of the smashed reels and film? Well, I had to run shit like that from time to time. [Mad]

I have....That's why I like the Brenkerts. They'll pass just about anything including film damage that don't have any sprocket holes on one side. I had to run shit like that in some of the drive in's.

Remember when I mentioned some time ago where I had to use about 100 feet of Scotch tape to make my own sprocket holes in the print Rocky! It took two of us to get that footage through, holding pad rollers shut, keeping the film on the sprockets with our fingers....but it made it without a shutdown.

You need to go back 30 years or so and catch the real experience of running a booth when we didn't have all the cushy shit and computers to do our job for us. [Wink]

The last time I saw that booth in Fargo was some time ago, and it was in a partially dismantled state. I doubt if it will ever run again.

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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
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posted 07-05-2004 12:50 AM

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And the AW3 CANNOT take up two different films at once like you say. You could add some rollers to it and it could be done, but no way a standard AW3 could do that...Retard.

You always have to assert your point with a rude comment or name-calling, don't you, you sanctimonious pecksniffian? All you have to do is add another roller cluster to the AW3 and presto. You can take-up the movie that's currently playing in that auditorium, plus another print "interlocked" from the neighboring auditorium that will play in that one later. Saves the trouble of moving a 4-hour indian print.

Regarding the picture, then, your caption makes NO sense:

quote:
But wait... what's that on the bottom deck? Why it's a print from another auditorium taking up, and that movie is over half way finished!

Oh no! The movie is over halfway finished! There's nothing we can do now except burn down the theater. [Roll Eyes]

You should post a log of all the people who called you who thought that was funny, because I'm almost certain you're lying.

=TMP=

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Phil Hill
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posted 07-05-2004 12:55 AM

quote: Paul G. Thompson
You need to go back 30 years or so and catch the real experience of running a booth

Ummm...NO THANKS, Paul! That era was pure shit. Trust me, been there done that!

quote: Paul G. Thompson
The last time I saw that booth in Fargo was some time ago, and it was in a partially dismantled state. I doubt if it will ever run again.

Gosh, I don't what you've been smokin' there Paul! I was there recently and the Fargo theatre was completely restored and in beautiful shape! One hot theatre! Oh, and so is that "other" theatre! Cool!

>>> Phil

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Adam Fraser
Master Film Handler

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From: Houghton Lake, MI, USA
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 07-05-2004 01:10 AM

You guys would be welcome to come here to do a competition with dual machine manual operation. We have Peerless Magnarcs, but they have been converted to xenon (you'd just have to pretend they were still carbons [Smile]

) other than that most of the other stuff is still manual operation capable. There would have to be a couple wires moved around for sound c/o as they are currently only located at the rack, or you could just run really fast when you had to do the changeover [Smile]

. It would be fun to have all those techs in our booth (maybe even get a few free fixes for some grounding issues and have the pinch roller on one of the sh-1000's disassembled and cleaned so it doesnt have to be pushed out nightly so it doesnt squeeze the film [Smile]

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Paul G. Thompson
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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
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posted 07-05-2004 01:10 AM

Phil, I was referring to the one Brad spoke of.

Yes, the Old Fargo is really a beautiful theater, and has a very colorful history.

Adam, sounds like it "qualifies"..... [Smile]

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