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Author Topic: The best 35mm projector Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-15-2007 07:29 PM                  Oh Boy! A continuation of the pissing contest of what projector is best!  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-15-2007 08:18 PM                     Phil if one doesn't piss occasionally we die all things aside there is in my opinion no terrible machine each has its virtues (cheap being in some eyes one of them)  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-15-2007 08:31 PM                        I was once asked after a speech at a theatre owner's convention: "What is the best projector?" I answered: "which problem can you best tolerate?" (price, reliability, ease of obtaining parts.) Your results will vary. Louis  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 07-15-2007 09:33 PM                       This outperforms a lot of them. (Who had one of these, btw? We did - circa 1968!)  |  IP: Logged Aaron Stroop Film Handler Posts: 9 From: SYDNEY N.S.W. AUSTRALIA Registered: Dec 2004 posted 07-15-2007 09:57 PM                     if you want my view the only projector to buy is cinemeccanica i have sent most of my working life on thease projectors along with kinoton and a couple of usa built projectors if you get the chance go to milano and visit the factory i have been there a couple of times its worth a look  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-16-2007 04:26 AM                     Louis what is a Davis Bridge? I've never heard of it/one quote: Louis Bornwasser As far as wow & flutter, NO ONE beats a properly set up Century MSA (direct drive). It, of course, has a Davis bridge. No one else has ever tried another "closed loop" design.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-16-2007 04:39 AM                  Timmy, that's funny! I agree wit' ya! The Davis Bridge refers to the excellent method Century projectors used for sound stabilization on their optical soundheads. Far better than ANY other manufacturer's methods...especially the crappy Simplex and Kinotone ones.  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-16-2007 05:40 AM                     Hi Phil, still not sure exactly what makes a Davis Bridge so special. Maybe you could go into some more detail. One of the best soundheads, for wow and flutter LACK OF, is this one.... BTH rotary magnetic optical soundhead The word 'magnetic' applies to the method of driving the sound scanning drum and not to the type of track. The drum is revolved by an electric motor, and magnet, and not by the usual method of using the film. Never seen another soundhead that used this method. I suspect there may still be some in service in Scotland..... any red led conversions for this one?  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-16-2007 06:01 AM                  The Century soundhead is a straight-forward, simple, and efficient design where as the Simplex has a "pinch roller" that tends to imbed dirt on to the print...high maintenance to keep it clean. The main problem with the Kinoton (IMHO) is the crappy threading path. Way too many rollers and exposures for damaging prints. Davis example:  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-16-2007 06:22 AM                     Cheers for that Phil.... I have seen this type of soundhead after all, it's used on the later Westar heads, 2003 if memory serves me well. The BTH head has NO tension on the film in the soundhead at all. As the sound drum is driven thru the magnetic coupling the film follwes a gentle curve thru the lateral guide roller and over the drum to the sprocket.... only the one roller! I belive this type of drive was used in sound recording and apart from BTH was not used in a projector again. Can anyone add to this?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2007 08:34 AM                     Yous guys are all lost in space. Don't you know that all these projectors are now obsolete...! They have been replaced by this. So go read, have fun... but and don't get lost in its specifications! quote: Ken McFall I belive this type of drive was used in sound recording and apart from BTH was not used in a projector again. The Century R-2 sound head used magnetic coupling in it's stabilization system. This was the sound head that Century won the Technical Oscar for...not the R-3 which Louis has attempted lead you to believe is the best sound head . Some of the Cinemecanicca Vic 10's also used it. A pair that I had very definately used magnatic coupled stabilization on the optical reproducer. Mark  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-16-2007 10:27 AM                     Thanks Mark.... Yeah it may be a sad look back but some of that stuff is still running today. Can you honestly say that this Digital stuff will still be running in 50 years time? With the pace of change currently being seen it's doubtful if some of it will still be 'current' in 2 years let alone 50. At that time I'm sure even you will be looking back fondly to today.... or maybe not  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2007 11:14 AM                     quote: Ken McFall Can you honestly say that this Digital stuff will still be running in 50 years time? With the pace of change currently being seen it's doubtful if some of it will still be 'current' in 2 years let alone 50. There will be digital stuff running 50 years from now for sure... alot of it. Film will be just a old curiosity in history books by then. As for today's gear running in 50 years probably not because there will be better gear that replaced the old stuff along with perhaps a whole new set of standards by then for D-Cinema. For isntance will we still be using hard drives for storage in 50 years... probably not! Although undoubtedly there may be some surviving examples of the old gear that will still work perfectly just as there are many old survuiving examples of broadcast gear that still function today and some of which is still in use, Old Ampex Quad Video Tape Machines are a good example. There is so much 2" video tape in vaults the world that the old machines have to be kept running to dub the tapes over to todays formats and for preservation. Mark ON the magnetic stabilization... I don't know why more companies didn't go that route. Itcworks very well. Mark  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-16-2007 01:02 PM                        The Davis bridge is used today in all Westrex sound recording cameras; all or nearly all SR analog is recorded on an almost identical bridge. Remember Century/Westrex was once called Western Electric. Louis  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-16-2007 01:10 PM                     And almost every dubber uses the davis system  |  IP: Logged

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