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Author Topic: horz scratches Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-05-2007 08:06 PM                     ..or just tuck the last three feet of the film under the film roll like the majority of us booth people do .. we've never had any problems doing this practice.. Prob, why he did listen to you, Brad - is that either he doesn't know what you're talking about, OR is that they are just too plum scared to do any sort of adjustments on the machinery being just booth operator just doing one simple task - and that is the simple 'lace and start' operations. For I can see that as well that the roller bracket cannot swivel on that return arm and a quarter turn on the lucknut underneath will definitely allow the assembly to swivel.  |  IP: Logged Joseph Matteo Film Handler Posts: 26 From: fullerton ca usa Registered: Dec 2006 posted 01-06-2007 06:41 PM                     sorry brad but never had a problem with the platter other than the hz scratches.i was one of the installers of these platters nothing is to tight everything is just fine i really don't under stand why every one doesn't under stand what is happening with this roller Alex Grueneberg reported 7 out of 18 hz scratched prints.i have installed many of these platters none of the old style rollers did this kind of damage. Bevan Poos has nothing to do with the roller scratching the film never had a print slide brain raps are rare. strange the make up tables still use the old style rollers with the correct retainers.i have fixed the rollers on 3 platters now the film will stay on the roller and if it does come of it now will drop the fail safes rather than put hz scratches on the film problem is i have 18 more to go! also i would like to say to Darren Powell i commend you i was showing the god father on reel to reel equipment at 18 when i joined the union the 18 year olds i was talking about are not hired as projectionists but concession people who at 18 are allowed to do what they call booth duty and really don't care. there are exceptions to every rule  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-07-2007 12:52 AM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer For I can see that as well that the roller bracket cannot swivel on that return arm and a quarter turn on the lucknut underneath will definitely allow the assembly to swivel. Just quit and find another career now Joseph.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-07-2007 01:08 AM                         |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-07-2007 03:15 AM                     Goddamn... considering that place is only a few miles from my house, I'm sooooo tempted to go over there and see what else is wrong and give them a nice big review... [ 01-07-2007, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lyons ]  |  IP: Logged Floyd Justin Newton Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 559 From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 01-07-2007 11:10 AM                     Go for it, Dan.  |  IP: Logged Alex Grueneberg Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Aug 2004 posted 01-07-2007 04:19 PM                        By the I wasnt saying its Christies fault or anything. I was just saying I've had to deal with this. Most of the time its from just wipping the film threw that roller and not actually looking at it to make sure its seated properly. Which yes, is retarted.  |  IP: Logged Joseph Matteo Film Handler Posts: 26 From: fullerton ca usa Registered: Dec 2006 posted 01-07-2007 06:05 PM                     well thanks for all your time and rude comments very unprofessional conduct you will all do well when digital takes over very soon.continue your rudeness and immature nature and Dan,Irvine is a little more than a few miles from seal beach,and if you can't understand the problem as simple as it is coming to my theatre won't help you.Alex Grueneberg I never quoted you as saying christie was at fault but you yourself found the problem of the roller you miss threaded and reported 7 scratched prints.Joe Redifer well atleast you can excell in photoshop!Brad be well!  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 01-07-2007 06:37 PM                     Here's a really great tip for really ensuring the film is seated on all rollers properly when threading AW3's (it may work for other makes too). >>> When pulling the film through the rollers, as you come over the top of each roller, briefly pull the film in a downwards direction before continuing on to the next roller. You don't need to do it with every roller. See the attached sketch (a horribly simplified view of the AW3). By slightly pulling the film downwards after passing over the top of roller 1, then roller 2, as you thread, the film is positively seated into the rollers. This worked for me for several years. Of course one must still always check the threading before starting shows, and during shows. This is all assuming that the roller on the tension arm is pivoting correctly. It is meant to swivel left and right, and its travel is limited by the triangular moulding on the top of the roller guide. The other thing to do if your Engineer is unavailable etc., is to use another platter deck. I don't know if this was possible in this case. There are terrific other tips for the AW3 in the Tips section. Hope this helps.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 01-07-2007 08:52 PM                     I think some confusion in previous posts may be caused by individual understandings of the term "horizontal." I took it to mean from side-to-side (right to left, or left to right) through the FRAME scratches and as viewed on screen. Those that appear from top to bottom I'd call "vertical" scratches, even though viewing a STRIP of many frames the scratches run lengthwise from beginning to end across the frames. While this comment adds nothing to solving the misaligned roller it may clarify some misunderstandings.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-08-2007 05:51 AM                     Joseph, if you are going to come on here and ask for help, you had better be prepared to actuall LEARN something or you will get this sort of response (which is well deserved by the way). I will try and see if I can get some spare time to make you a quick and dirty video explaining why you are totally going about this problem the wrong way. Past that if you don't get it.......  |  IP: Logged Joseph Matteo Film Handler Posts: 26 From: fullerton ca usa Registered: Dec 2006 posted 02-02-2007 04:49 PM                     hello brad i decided to give this another try i did make a video of the roller in progress of making these hz scratches i have indeed showed it to the service techs and the the cine mark and centry theater techs and all have agreed with my findings.and this video will be shown to all the new projection booth hires,i can post a still from the video if i can post the mpeg on a site or ftp i will the reason the puck is used on the platter is because the air conditioning comes on strong and has blown the tail end off the platter thus getting caught up in the motor drive tucking the film under poses its own problem as they can slide the film out of proper geometry all the platter rings were installed before i did all the tweaks on the system i never seen the box nor the instructions that came with it.I also know a few people at the film exchanges i am going there to look at film that was scratched damage and see if it is the same hz scratches the inspector i know tells me it looks the same talk,soon  |  IP: Logged Jon P. Inghram Expert Film Handler Posts: 124 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Jan 2007 posted 02-02-2007 05:42 PM                     We've got AW3s (some with black rollers and some with green rollers) and even after intentionally threading the rollers wrong I still can't get them to stay crooked like that: they always rotate back to the proper position. The only way your problem can occur is if the pulley is not able to freely pivot on the bolt, either by being over-tightened or by some kind of obstruction, like everyone else has stated. As for your video, you can always put it up on Youtube. Actually, I stand corrected: I tried some more and could get the film to occasionally stay in the position your photos indicated with green rollers that were properly functioning, but I really had to try to get it to happen, it would never happen normally. [ 02-02-2007, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: Jon P. Inghram ]  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 04-02-2008 05:28 AM                 It has been 424 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Joseph Matteo Film Handler Posts: 26 From: fullerton ca usa Registered: Dec 2006 posted 04-02-2008 05:28 AM                     DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! DO NOT SHOUT! Post removed due to shouting. (I would like to see an actual image of a film that is getting scratched in this way...the scratched film itself that is, not the scenario.) [ 04-02-2008, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Brad Miller ]  |  IP: Logged

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