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Author Topic: Service Tech Opinions on 70mm Norelco Ad Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 05-13-2014 10:42 AM                     This (unblimped) 3-Strip Technicolor Camera is at the Disney Family Museum here in San Francisco and was apparantly used on several Disney films: Also with the camera is displayed this "spare" prisim assembly & movement for the Tehnicolor camera. I was there doing a projection job and I didn't have my good camera with me, so this pic isn't the greatest, but the beam-splitter prisim is on the left, the gate & pull down is on the right of the mechanism. If you're ever in SF, the Disney Museum has lots of Disney related film 'hardware' including one of Walt's muliplane animation cameras, a huge, custom built optical printer, & even an original "circlevision" camera rig: -jc-  |  IP: Logged Robert Furmanek Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Clifton, NJ, USA Registered: Jun 2012 posted 05-13-2014 03:06 PM                     From Cinerama expert, Dave Strohmaier. "All the travelogues (incl. Windjammer) were eastman color prints to keep a first generation image on the screen. They could advertise as Technicolor as thats the lab they used and M.C. Cooper was on the board of Technicolor or something. Later TIC was done as IB tech Probably in 1959 -60 The Renalt commercial did have a few IB tech prints made." As I expected, none of the travelogs were dye-transfer in their initial runs. By the way, Steve didn't mention it but we provided the Norelco ad that he shared at the start of this topic. Additional material can be found on my website: www.3dfilmarchive.com  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 05-13-2014 04:26 PM                     How a 3-strip Technicolor camera like the DF-24 Beam Splitter worked was as follows. Two strips of 35 mm black and white film negative, one sensitive to blue light and the other to red light, ran together through an aperture behind a magenta filter, which allowed blue and red light to pass through. A third film strip of black and white film negative ran through a separate aperture, behind a green filter. The two apertures were positioned at 90 degrees to each other, and a gold-flecked mirror positioned at 45 degrees behind the lens allowed 1/3 of the incoming light to go directly through to the green-filtered aperture, and reflected the remaining light to the magenta-filtered aperture. Because of this division of light between three film strips, Technicolor photography required much more lighting than black and white photography. These Lights I believe were called Klieg(sp)Lights and put out a tremendous amount of light that actually caused eye damage to a number of actors in Wizard of Oz. Just The Electric Bill for "Wizard" back then was over a 1/4 million Dollars.Technology advancements in Film stock later on made it possible to not have to use those Powerful Lamps in Future Productions... Bob Furmanek: my apologies Bob, for not mentioning your name on the Norelco Ad. Sorry; Brain Fade!  |  IP: Logged Robert Furmanek Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Clifton, NJ, USA Registered: Jun 2012 posted 05-13-2014 04:44 PM                     That's okay Steve, it's all good!  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-13-2014 06:58 PM                        I have known Philip Stewart Charis, M. photog, Cr. for many years now and have always admired his work that equals the beauty of many of the great portrait artists of the past such as Rembrendth Van Rijn, Thomas Gainsborough, Joshua Reynolds and American artist Gilbert Stewart. I do not know if he is still doing it but for many years, Mr. Charis created only dye transfer prints for his clients . As a student at Brooks Institute in the early sixties, I learned how to create die transfer prints but never applied it during my very long photographic career. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-16-2014 01:45 AM                     I wasn't planning on chiming back in, but it would appear some of you are anticipating a double-check on my part. So, to be fair, here goes... Billings Gazette, June 15, 1977 It's a strangely-designed ad, for sure, but if you look at it carefully you'll see "Star Wars" is playing at Rimrock 4. Also, in the upper right corner you can see a different movie ("The Other Side of Midnight") playing the Babcock. As for "Mary Poppins," it checks out as a 3-week first-run engagement (at the Fox) beginning April 13, 1965, and closing May 5, 1965 (and replaced on May 6 with "Circus World"). So...I think Steve Matz is simply confusing it with another movie. "The Sound of Music," perhaps? Same lead actress... same genre... it played for several months...  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 05-16-2014 04:37 AM                     OK,I admit I screwed up on Mary Poppins;I remember it being Julie Andrews so it was actually Sound of Music. I remember it starting before School was even out in May 65 and running the whole summer even after the new school year started in the Fall.The Fox Theater and their Projectionist was an old Schooler named Jim Nelson. But I still say Babcock for "STARWARS" Rimrock's theaters were more than short under a 1000 seats that Box Office Magazine reported. More like 800 Total Capacity. Very small theaters and the Screen size on 2 of the theaters wasn't even 25Ft wide.Babcock had main floor and Balcony Seating and their screen was more like 40+feet.Maybe it was Planned for SW's to play at RR4 but it wouldn't have made sense for a tiny multiplex to play that big of a Movie when The long established Babcock.had more seating Capacity and Larger Screen. I guess I will have to track down some Photos at the Chamber of Commerce and find a Pic of the Babcock Marque during that Run. I don't doubt your Thoroughness and accuracy on Films and Venues Michael but Newspapers aren't always accurate.If they were Thomas Dewey would have been President in 1948 instead of TRUMAN. The Rimrock Theaters ended up being a Disaster and I think they were all gone around 81. Maybe if they had quit giving the Address of Rimrock Mall even when they moved to Overland Ave. People would have showed up to the right theater  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-16-2014 06:43 AM                     Are you really comparing a paper going to press and predicting a President due to time-line constraints and getting the jump to a mere movie "Now Playing" ad? Furthermore, the paper didn't continue to publish the wrong information day after day, week after week. I agree that newspapers can/do get it wrong from time to time. But it normally does not extend for weeks on end. I'll wager that Michael could continue to produce newspaper ads that show the same theatre showing the movie week after week.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 05-16-2014 12:27 PM                     Good grief, Steve (Matz). You're as bad as Tony and Will! And to screw with your head even more, I'll clarify that the Billings "Sound of Music" roadshow run was held in 1966, not 1965, and played the Babcock, not the Fox.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-16-2014 01:00 PM                     I can remember it on the marquee of the Babcock in fact. 1966 was the first time I went to Billings to visit friends with my dad. It might have played in 4 track mag there... certainly NOT 70mm because Babcock never had 70mm capabilities, nor did any other Billings theater. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 05-16-2014 06:03 PM                     Well Michael I'm sure Glad that someone that Lives in LA Knows everything about every town in the U.S. Who even really cares up here besides you what played in a theater 30 or more years ago. I'm done with this Topic; nothing I say is going to change your mind about what you believe is accurate reporting. But if you would like to wager a real bet (say 5000 Dollars) I will produce what I have said all along about SW's playing at the Babcock. If not then this subject is closed as far as I'm concerned.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 05-16-2014 06:36 PM                     My recently departed dad, who worked in advertising for many years, would be the first one to point out that this ad doesn't really make any substantial claims. As Brad pointed out early on in this thread, 758 showings could be done on any projector. The ad doesn't claim it could ONLY be done on a Norelco, nor does it make any claim or provide any proof that the print was still in good shape after 758 runs. And there are no film photos or frame blow-ups to back up the claims they're not making. The reader is left to infer that the print was still almost 'lab fresh" solely from the 'headline' of the ad. The ad actually leaves out more than it says. Also, just as a point of curiousity, according to an article about the "Sparticus" prints in a 1960 issue of 'International Projectionist" the 70mm print they examined was on Eastmancolor stock.  |  IP: Logged Edward Havens Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 614 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Mar 2008 posted 05-16-2014 08:13 PM                     Steve, I hope you have the cash ready, because I would trust Michael and his research far more than any individual's memory. And for posterity's sake, if Michael accepts the bet and Steve deletes the message and tries to claim he never made the bet... quote: Steve Matz Well Michael I'm sure Glad that someone that Lives in LA Knows everything about every town in the U.S. Who even really cares up here besides you what played in a theater 30 or more years ago. I'm done with this Topic; nothing I say is going to change your mind about what you believe is accurate reporting. But if you would like to wager a real bet (say 5000 Dollars) I will produce what I have said all along about SW's playing at the Babcock. If not then this subject is closed as far as I'm concerned.  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-16-2014 09:28 PM                     Don't do it! It's a trap! quote: Steve Matz When "STARSWARS" Played at the Babcock Theater in 1977 it had a 13 week run with a brand new Lab Print. "STAR WARS" may not have played the Babcock, but maybe "STARSWARS" did.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-17-2014 07:40 AM                     Steve, Although you've apparently bowed out of the thread... It seems a little disingenuous to get pissed about what Michael posted, put up rants about it, then claim that no one besides him cares. If no one cared, that would've included you and the posts you made wouldn't exist...  |  IP: Logged

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