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Charles Greenlee
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From: Savannah, Ga, U.S.
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posted 02-08-2007 12:21 AM
Yeah, but remember, the original piece may be in one key, but sometimes the tunes are transposed to a key appropriate for the performer. Still shouldn't be too hard to figure out. And yeah, the other file does it contiusously, only the first n-th. Even saved. May be the player. I'm using Winamp, cause "It really whips the llama's ass!" ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Sorry, flashbacks. Remind me later to tell you about my time in Nam. See, and that's why, as I said in the Family Guy thread, that I like FG. It's like watching my own mind, on TV.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 05-13-2007 06:36 AM
New record added - a WWII propaganda broadcast (here and scroll to the bottom or select from pulldown). I bought it from a junk shop (2 10" records - four sides total) in York yesterday, and it's now easily the cleanest 78 recording in my collection. It can't have been played more than once or twice (if at all), and both discs are still in their original sleeves! I didn't need to use any Adobe Audition click/pop removal on this (although I did wash the record in warm, boiled water with a little Fairy liquid to get 66 years' worth of dust and crud off it) - I just applied the Blumlein EQ curve to get the bass response right and Chebychev HF dropoff filter (cutoff 4k through order 9) to take out as much surface noise as is possible without encroaching on the signal, and that was it.
This was transferred at bang on 78rpm (checked with a stroboscope), but I suspect that it's a bit slow. From my memory of the film London Can Take It, the pitch of Reynolds' voice isn't that low, and four sides of 10" shouldn't run to almost 16 minutes (I think that the Postscript programme was a 15-minute slot, but need to look this up). There again, I've only ever seen the film on a PAL video transfer, which will have been increased from 24 to 25fps. When I get some more time I'm going to try speeding up this recording to match a total running time of 12-13 minutes (3 minutes per side).
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Stephen Furley
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posted 05-14-2007 03:37 AM
Leo, when I click on the 'Audio files' link something strange happens; all of the files start playing together, and I have to go through and click the pause button on all of the others to hear the one that I want. This happens on Firefox and IE, on both PCs and Macs.
That's a very clear recording for a 78.
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This was transferred at bang on 78rpm (checked with a stroboscope), but I suspect that it's a bit slow. From my memory of the film London Can Take It, the pitch of Reynolds' voice isn't that low, and four sides of 10" shouldn't run to almost 16 minutes (I think that the Postscript programme was a 15-minute slot, but need to look this up). There again, I've only ever seen the film on a PAL video transfer, which will have been increased from 24 to 25fps.
I've seen 'London Can Take It' on both video and film, and I agree; the pitch does sound a shade too low, but it's odd that I should hear it, as I never notice any pitch error on PAL transfers of 24 fps film. Maybe I'm just used to hearing a higher pitch, but notice a lower one.
Do you know anything about this recording? I assume that the script was written by the British Government, and Quentin Reynolds was just hired to speak it. It seems somewhat surprising that this was released as a record, it sounds more like a radio broadcast, but it does look like a normal record intended for sale to the public. I've never heard it before; historically interesting, and quite a find in that condition.
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I've just gone back and read your text again; it is a radio broadcast. Where did you get the details of the broadcast from; are they printed on the disk labels or sleeves, or did you manage to track them down elsewhere?
Was this also broadcast in the USA, I wonder? I would be interested to know how the Quentin Reynolds material was received by the public over there. I doubt that there is anybody on this forum who's old enough to remember, but you never know. There was considerable opposition at the time to America becoming involved in 'sobebody else's' war; if the public there recognised 'London Can Take It' for what it was, political propaganda, intended to influence American public opinion in favour or entering the War on Britain's side, then it could have exactly the opposite effect to that intended. It was quite a risky thing to do.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 05-14-2007 03:50 PM
quote: Stephen Furley
Leo, when I click on the 'Audio files' link something strange happens; all of the files start playing together, and I have to go through and click the pause button on all of the others to hear the one that I want. This happens on Firefox and IE, on both PCs and Macs.
I have to confess that I only checked that page on Firefox, and it didn't do that. I've just loaded it with IE7 and all the files started playing simultaneously for me, too. I tried to copy the line of code which embeds the Media Player controls from the page, but the forum blocked it. It includes the parameter , which, according to the page on Microsoft's website from whence I got it, is supposed to prevent the media player from autostarting when the page is loaded. Ironically, Firefox seems to obey the command, but Microsoft's own browser won't! I'll have to try and investigate what's going on when I get a moment, and if necessary just get rid of the embedded media players.
quote: Stephen Furley
Do you know anything about this recording? I assume that the script was written by the British Government, and Quentin Reynolds was just hired to speak it.
I doubt it - while the Ministry of Information did produce its own films and print advertising, it only censored broadcast and print journalism content - AFAIK MoI employees didn't actually write the scripts. Reynolds was hired to write the commentary for London Can Take It because he was American and a celebrity journalist, and I guess that a similar rationale would have applied to the Postscript broadcast.
I am also puzzled as to why it was released on record. The only thing I can think of is that it was done to raise money for war bonds, but you'd expect there to be some clue to that on the sleeve or label. The transmission date is printed on the label, which means that it should be reasonably straightforward to check back through newspapers etc. to try and find some contextualising information. The blurb I wrote on the website was mainly educated guessing based on the dates.
quote: Stephen Furley
There was considerable opposition at the time to America becoming involved in 'sobebody else's' war; if the public there recognised 'London Can Take It' for what it was, political propaganda, intended to influence American public opinion in favour or entering the War on Britain's side, then it could have exactly the opposite effect to that intended. It was quite a risky thing to do.
American public opinion was sharply polarised. On the one hand there was the 'America First' movement, led by Senator Gerald Nye, who argued that the US involvement in WWI caused unnecessary casualties and indirectly led to the great depression, and that Hitler could never pose a realistic threat to America. President Roosevelt supported intervention, partly in the belief that if the Nazis overran Europe and succeeded in destroying the British Empire, there was a real risk of them becoming a global superpower. So a lot of the British propaganda aimed at the US during the first two years of the war was a calculated attempt to boost the pro-intervention campaign and refute the arguments of the antis. Of course, Pearl Harbor put an instant end to that debate.
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