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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Hi Matt,

Wellston Ohio, wow, a blast from the past. Is the Louvie (sp?) Theatre still there? Do they still make Gem Cream Soda?

I used to be manager/projectionist of the Town & Country Drive-In up the road in Coalton back in the late 1970's. Is it still there? I graduated college and moved back to NJ in 1977, but I still have fond memories of the area and my visit to the Louvie Theatre.

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Matt Fields
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Mitchell-

I am the current owner of the Louvee, but I closed it in May 2003 because of poor attendence. The City of Wellston is applying for a grant from the state to help make it into a performing arts center with a stage. That is going well, so hopefully I don't have to many mortage payments left. The drive-in in Coalton is closed, I'm not exactly sure when, I moved to the area in 1999 and it was already closed. The building is still there and its used as a flea market every once in a while.

I own the theatre in Jackson. Its call the Tri City Theatre (4 screens), I took it over in 2000. The Markay (old Jackson theatre) is now an art gallery.

Gem Beverages is still in business and they still make the Cream Soda. I sell it out in front of the Louvee at the Coal Festival every year.

What school did you go to?

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Hi Matt,

I went to Ohio University in Athens. At that time, the Town & Country Drive-In was owned by the same man who owned the Athena in Athens, which is how I got the job. I used to buy posters and lobby cards from him for dorm room decerations, and was constantly bugging him for a job (at the Athena). One day I was walking past his theatre, apperently right after his Drive-In manager quit, and he offered me the job. I was there for 3 years. We ran family films all summer, and in the winter, we ran XXX porn on weekends. The Drive-In always did good buisness. The winter was also the only time I saw any law enforcment personel, the county sheriff would come in with his cruiser to watch the porno. I'm sorry to hear it has closed, I learned to run projectors at the Town & Country.

I visited the Louvee a few times, my memory of it being a cute little art deco theatre. The theatre was a little dirty at the time, but overall in good condition. It did very well with family films. The Markay was not doing well even back then. They had prize raffles every Saturday night to try and lure in customers. I don't know why the Markay did not do well, but at that time almost the entire downtown of Jackson was boarded up.

I loved living in southern Ohio, but there just were no good jobs there. I moved back to home to NJ two weeks before Star Wars opened in 1977, and have missed Gem Cream Soda ever since (it is not sold here).

Good luck with the Louvee, you are living my dream. I always wanted to move back to a small town and open a theatre, but unfortunately know that it is very difficult to make a go of these.

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Brad Allen
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Matt, in lots of circumstances, the ability to get prints when you want relates entirely to how good a job your booker is doing.
You may need to either:
A-Get a booker.
B-Get a booker that truely has your theatres best interests in mind.

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Bevan Wright
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DIGITAL CINEMA INITIATIVES (DCI) ANNOUNCES FINAL OVERALL SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR DIGITAL CINEMA

Agreement Gives Manufacturers of Digital Projectors and Theater Equipment One Universal Standard in Creating the Next Generation of Cinemas

(Hollywood, CA - July 27, 2005) Digital Cinema Initiatives, LLC (DCI) has completed the final overall system requirements and specifications to help theatrical projector and equipment manufacturers create uniform and compatible digital cinema equipment throughout the United States, it was announced today by Walt Ordway, Chief Technology Officer, Digital Cinema Initiatives.

"After three years of careful planning, discussion and reaching out to all the various constituencies who make up our industry, DCI member studios are pleased to have reached unanimous agreement on the necessary overall system requirements and specifications for digital cinema," said Ordway. "We now have a unified specification that will allow manufacturers to create products that will be employable at movie theatres throughout the country and, it is hoped, throughout the world. In fact, the specification is being translated for international markets."

"These specifications should provide a common ground to spur innovation and encourage many more players who were previously resistant to invest capital in technology that may or may not have been viable," said Ordway. "And as the market gets more competitive, the price of the equipment and its installation - previously thought to be a major barrier to digital cinema - will become increasingly affordable, to the point where that stumbling block should no longer be of consequence."

DCI member studios and industry leaders hailed this long-awaited development, which will be applicable to both 2K and 4K resolutions.

"Twentieth Century Fox will release all of its theatrical feature film digital content in full compliance with the DCI specification," Bruce Snyder, President Domestic Distribution, and Paul Hanneman, Executive Vice President Sales and Strategic Planning Twentieth Century Fox International, said in a joint statement. "For the industry to flourish and to provide a smooth transition to an all digital future, it is essential there be one digital distribution and exhibition format. That format is the DCI specification."

"With this essential specification now in place, Warner Bros. now plans that by the end of 2005 we will be releasing our movies in two formats: 35mm film and DCI digital cinema," said Dan Fellman, President, Domestic Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures. "Having the DCI spec in place is a big step forward in the global distribution of digital films. We look to this standard to be used in our International releases," said Veronika Kwan-Rubinek, President, Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures International.

"Sony Pictures completely supports the work done by DCI on the digital cinema technical specifications. We look forward to releasing our feature films digitally to cinemas deploying digital cinema systems compliant with the DCI specifications worldwide," said Jeff Blake, Vice Chairman, Sony Pictures Entertainment and President, Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group, Worldwide Marketing and Distribution.

"The DCI specification represents the right level of quality to ensure that the digital cinema experience remains the ideal way for moviegoers to enjoy films well into the future. We look forward to delivering our films into the DCI digital cinemas in the US and around the world," said Chuck Viane, President of Buena Vista Pictures Distribution, and Mark Zoradi, President of Buena Vista International.

"Paramount embraces the DCI specification for the theatrical exhibition of digital cinema and we look forward to releasing our films in compliance with this standard of distribution," said Wayne Lewellen, President, Distribution for Paramount Pictures. "Exhibition and, most importantly, the movie-going audience are greatly benefited by the work done by DCI and its resulting specification."

"Universal Pictures is pleased that a unified format has come to fruition as this will allow both moviegoers and studios to enjoy the benefits of the digital cinema experience," added Nikki Rocco, President, Distribution for Universal Pictures. "DCI has worked tirelessly to create an approved uniform standard that will provide our industry a level of satisfaction regarding how films are being shown in the digital format."

John Fithian, President of the National Organization of Theater Owners (NATO), stated, "This spec, created over the past three years by DCI with input from exhibitors and vendors, is an important step toward making digital cinema a reality. With this piece now in place, we look forward to working with all the involved parties to achieve our mutual goal - bringing the best possible moviegoing experience to the consumer."

"The ASC is proud to have collaborated with DCI during the development of a final specification for digital cinema," said Richard Crudo, President of The American Society of Cinematographers. "With the future hard upon us, part of that effort involved creation of the StEM (Standard Evaluation Material) film. Besides marking a great milestone in our traditional role as 'guardians of the image,' it also recalled one of the main reasons that led to the start of our organization in 1919. And though the industry may not yet realize what debt they owe this achievement, its significance will be plain to anyone who views a motion picture for many, many years to come."

"This is an important milestone in the advancement of the theatrical motion picture," commented Frank Pierson, Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences president. "In its first hundred years our art form made a forceful universal impression, at least partly because worldwide standards for projecting film were adopted early on. The next hundred years are likely to be similarly affected by DCI's work in defining how digital motion pictures will be presented to world audiences."

Said Jim Cameron and Jon Landau, "All of us at Lightstorm Entertainment are thrilled that DCI has finalized their digital cinema standards. We believe this now opens the door for the roll out of digital cinema, which will revolutionize the cinematic experience for moviegoers around the world. We look forward to presenting our next feature film in 3D Stereo at DCI compliant theaters."

George Lucas and Rick McCallum said, "It's a giant leap forward for those of us who create movies and, perhaps more importantly, for everyone who sees them. We have been advocates of digital cinema for nearly a decade, and this is a day we have long hoped would come. Digital cinema will increasingly become the standard and will change the way movies are made, seen and experienced around the world."

"Standardized digital theater equipment is as significant to motion picture exhibition as DVD was for the home video industry," said John Lasseter, Executive Vice President, Pixar Animation Studios. Mr. Lasseter directed Toy Story 2, the first film in motion picture history to be entirely created, mastered and exhibited digitally. "Even the best film presentation starts to wear out after a few weeks, but with digital cinema the last screening is as pristine as the first. DCI's new universal standard will enable audiences to see Pixar's digitally rendered films with the same consistency of color, detail, and resolution the world over."

"Hallelujah - It's about time!" commented Robert Zemeckis.

"This is a great day for digital cinema with the completion of the DCI Specification. I am looking forward to releasing my films in a manner that reflects my creative intent," added Robert Rodriguez.

Internationally, the announcement was greeted with equal support. The UK National Film Trust released the following statement: "The completion of the DCI specification is a major milestone for all digital cinema efforts around the world. The NFT's Digital Test Bed (UK) supports and will continue playing an active role in the efforts to see the specification turned into standards that will help make high-end digital cinema a large scale reality in the UK, Europe and in the rest of the world."

"We congratulate DCI in the completion of the digital cinema specifications. This is a significant milestone in the digital cinema development worldwide as it brings us a big step closer to realizing the true benefits of digital cinema. IDA is happy to support DCI's specifications as Singapore can contribute as the Digital Exchange hub to better manage and distribute content digitally," said Mr. KHOONG Hock Yun, Assistant Chief Executive, Industry, Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore (IDA).

International exhibitors also expressed their enthusiasm for this crucial turning point in the implementation of digital cinema worldwide.

"We acknowledge DCI's tremendous work on gathering inputs from the whole industry and now releasing its Digital Cinema Technical Specification," said Laura Fumagalli, exhibitor of the Arcadia Cinema in Milan. "By introducing Digital Cinema equipment compliant to DCI's Specification, Arcadia continues its commitment to offer Italian patrons the best theatrical movie experience."

"The movie-going experience is a special one, but in order to continue drawing large audiences, theatres must outpace competing media," said Charles S. Swartz, executive director/CEO of the Entertainment Technology Center at USC. "DCI's digital cinema specifications not only set the stage for higher quality theatrical presentation, they also help insure the global nature of cinema exhibition for films and countries, large and small. The Entertainment Technology Center at USC is proud to have played a part in DCI's landmark work."

Ordway concluded "We have finally reached a consensus that all of our various constituencies can not only live with, but should also embrace. Studios, exhibitors, and most important of all, the audiences who love movies will now be able to enjoy all the benefits and possibilities that digital cinema offers."

Digital Cinema Initiatives, LLC (DCI) was created in March 2002 and is a joint venture of Disney, Fox, Paramount, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Universal and Warner Bros. Studios. DCI's primary purpose is to establish and document voluntary specifications for an open architecture for digital cinema that ensures a uniform and high level of technical performance, reliability and quality control.

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Mike Blakesley
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If you want to read the full, 176-page specification document, you can find it at www.dcimovies.com in pdf form.

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Lyle Romer
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Well, so much for quality. No anamorphic format for 'scope. I guess the way the spec is written, common width screens are the right way to design a theatre.

quote:
3.2.1.2. Image Structure
The DCDM shall provide an image structure container that consists of either a 2K (2048 x 1080) or 4K (4096 x 2160)image file as defined in Table 1. It is expected that the image structure shall use one of the two containers such that either the horizontal or vertical resolution is filled. For example, a 4K image file with a 2.39:1 aspect ratio would require an image structure of 4096 x 1714, therefore filling the horizontal resolution of the 4K container. The pixel orientation, as displayed on the screen, shall be understood to flow from left to right and top to bottom. Also, the horizontal and vertical pixel count shall begin with 0. For example, the top left pixel of the displayed image shall be anotated as (0, 0).


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Matt Fields
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Brad-

I do have a booker. I am currently getting basically everything I want on the break. I didn't mean to imply that I wasn't getting product now, but that if the release pattern changed as drastically as Bobby suggested, all of the small towns would be left out. 2000 prints is a lot different then 2000 theatres, which I think is Steve's basic point.

Mitchell-

First of all, if you want me to send you some Cream Soda, I would be glad to. Gem is a local bottler and you can only buy it here in Wellston and the surrounding area. Send me an e-mail and we'll work it out.

When I bought the Louvee, there was a christie lamphouse with a century projector in storage that I was told came out of the drive-in. Was that the set up you remember? There was also a little feature film called "Deep Rub" in storage that came from the drive-in. I never did have the guts to build it up and watch it though.

As far as the Athena, I've got a story there too. OU bought it and renovated it in 2002. My ex-partner and I ran it for three years, when we spilt up our copmpany, he kept the Athena. I was the manager there for three years (Feb 2002 to Jan 2005). I didn't really like Athens, though, Court street was simply to wild for me. Halloween was fun though. [Smile]

My ex-partner lost his bid for a contract renewal and the Athena is now ran by a local guy from Athens, who has a contract with the university like we did. OU spent a couple million fixing the place up and did a pretty nice job.

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Lyle Romer
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A couple of good things in the spec......

1) Audio will be uncompressed, 24 bit, 48 or 96 kHz and up to 16 discreet channels are supported

2) Image compression is JPEG 2000. Since JPEG 2000 compresses each frame without regard to preceeding or following frames, there shouldn't be the MPEG type motion artifacts.

3) Data rate will be 8 to 9 times the data rate of HD-DVD or blu-ray.

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Darryl Spicer
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Couple of bad things to point out.

1) loss of jobs. Yeah one can get another job but in some cases it's not that easy.

2) no more attendance than we have now

3) Hollywood is still going to produce tons of shit.

4) It's still only truly going to benefit the studios which leads to the above number 1.

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Bobby Henderson
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I wonder how much clout DCI has? I only ask because they, or someone, is going to have to push very aggressively to force hardware companies, film studios and anyone else involved in the whole "D-Cinema" pipeline to pursue the 4K standard. If there isn't some arm twisting happening we can look forward to 2K remaining the de-facto standard.

Also, they describe 2K as being 2048 X 1080. Huh? I thought a full 2K frame was 2048 X 1536.

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Joseph L. Kleiman
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The DCI looked at a number of resolutions to be included in the Digital Cinema Distribution Master (DCDM). These included 4928x2048, 3680x1536, 2464x1040, 1920x1080, 3840x2160, and 4096x2048. They finally settled on 4096x2160 for 4K. The DCDM is able to contain data for both 2K and 4K, therefore, the 2K is culled from the 4K data, and 1/2 of the 4K resolution is 2048x1080.

On another note, the actual specs for digital cinema are being formulated by SMPTE committee DC-28.

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Leo Enticknap
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Other not so good things: no support for aspect ratios other than 1:1.85 and 'scope without losing the number of active pixels (i.e. the spec doesn't seem to support the encoding and projection of Academy ratio images by changing the pixel ratio, if I've read it correctly); and no native support for speeds other than 24fps.

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Phil Hill
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What a GREAT "official" announcement! I was ***REALLY*** impressed with the "A" list of people that commented on the NEW "standards"... I almost creamed in my jeans!

I think it would have been a shorter announcement if they quoted who DID NOT sniff and ass-licked Chuck and his DCI posse!

Too bad nothing technical was mentioned about those standards, huh? I sincerely HOPE that it STILL WILL BE the "standard" in another 2 years.... HA!

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Mike Blakesley
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Phil - that article was the "puff piece" for the public. As we all know, they don't even care if the picture is in focus, so why should they care about this shit? If you want to read the technical goop, go to the website. You can read all 170+ pages.

www.dcimovies.com

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