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Author Topic: 70 vs. DC starring Larry Myres Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-30-2006 01:07 AM                 Hey Brad it's just my thinking. Whats your idea? What do you think about the Pittsford Plaza 3 closing down? Actually been closed down for the past 5 years. A real nice clean 70mm only theater in a very upscale part of Rochester. You know the Rochester that lives and breaths photography. A place that at least some people should know the difference in image quality or may care to know. Thats right CLOSED. No interest. No money to be made. Stay home. Lights out. Come on Brad, what do ya think?  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 01-30-2006 02:58 AM                     I tell ya what I think. Forget 70 mm the industry should have stayed at 1.37 and 3-strip Technicolor (with the option to shoot straight black and white of course) . If only the DP's, Actors, Directors, Producers, Studios and Distributors put in the same amount of energy into the argument as you guys do, we actually might get some where. Are they even talking about it??  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-30-2006 03:57 AM                     quote: Larry Myers A mistake such as a damaged 70mm print with 35mm sprocket marks down the middle. This would result in the theater being shut down until a new hard to get print could be had. ..here's a pict of a V-8 with the double duty sprockets..and one can see how the 35mm sprocket teeth are well inside of the outside rows of the teeth that pulls the 70mm film down. This Vic-8 is inside somebody's home theatre. Obviously, he doesn't care about DC in as much as he cares about 70mm presentations. .Monte  |  IP: Logged Thomas Hauerslev Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Registered: Aug 2000 posted 01-30-2006 04:07 AM                        There is a very good opportunity to see 70mm and Cinerama at the Widescreen Weekend in March in Bradford, England. See other thread for info about titles and dates. The sharpness of the films always blows the audience away, especially those on the first row. A situation which has forced ud to install seat belts  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-30-2006 05:32 AM                     What do I think? Well first off, I think that "70mm only" theater was actually a 70mm AND a 35mm theater. Quite often people would go into complexes and say "what's playing on your 70mm screen". It didn't matter how many times or in what way you explained that you were running a 35mm print in there, some people are just flat out ignorant. The reality is that it would've taken more money and specific effort to make that projector NOT be able to run 35mm. Think about it. I also think you should've heeded my advice on page 2. quote: Brad Miller Larry, you might want to excuse yourself from posting further on this thread... ...ya can't say I didn't warn ya!  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-30-2006 07:56 AM                     I've seen 70mm and 35mm. 70mm is better, every time. 5/70 won't come back, as the producers don't believe in it. It will be digital all the way, unfortunately. I can't imagine any theatre owner installing a 70mm only projector. There was never enough 70mm product to sustain a theatre, especially one outside the larger cities. Even the best premiere theaters ran far more 35mm than 70mm. 70mm was for the rare event film, usually a few in the summer and some at Christmas. I just can NOT believe any theater was 70mm only.  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-30-2006 08:02 AM                 Tale to two cities. Let me tell you how bad off Rochester is. Take two very nice NEW 3000 sq ft homes, one in upscale Pittsford Rochester NY, home to many people who run Kodak. The other in Herndon VA, home of many interent companies. Both sold new for about $250,000 in 1996 or about 10 years ago. Fast forward today and the Herndon home just sold for $950,000 with $7000 a year in property tax. The Pittsford home hasn't sold and has been on the market for the last 6 month at $235,000 and is taxed at $9000 a year. Thats where film is going. Your right, enough said.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 01-30-2006 08:10 AM                        We have had 70mm only theatres in the past. With the demise of 3-strip Cinerama; every Cinerama house was replaced with a JJ-70mm only machine....most of which were rapidly converted to 35/70; the balance being replaced with 35mm only machines (St Louis.) The main problem 70mm had other than cost is the inability to move the print down to a smaller house unless it, too, is 70mm equipped. Louis  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-30-2006 08:34 AM                     quote: Louis Bornwasser every Cinerama house was replaced with a JJ-70mm only machine For the Cinerama houses I believe that two of the three strip machines were actually converted to straight 70mm so they weren't really JJ's. I've had a half dozen of these machines go through. They are identifiable by a plate that is machined into the trap area to re-locate the dovetail and other components as well as the slot still being in the front of the head casting for the frame counter drive gear. They also do not have any Century name plate on them and the door glass still says Cinerama. Later on its presumed that they were made dual gauge although about half the ones I've had were still straight 70mm with 70mm only sprockets. Mark  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-30-2006 09:05 AM                        I can think of about a trillion reasons for a business to go under besides whether or not they play 70MM. If you can't Larry, not only do you know nothing about film, but you also know nothing about business.  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-30-2006 09:40 AM                 and I take that all the way to the BANK Oh yes. The Pittsford Plaza complex had three theaters. Plaza 1, Plaza 2, Plaza 3. Plaza 1 and 2 were in the front building. These theaters showed 35mm. The complex had a seperate building in the back called Plaza 3, If Plaza 3 theater was open, somehow the owner got ahold of a 70mm blowup of a new release. I think Plaza 1 and 2 are still open. I think Plaza 3 is now a DVD rental place. I will be in Rochester all week next week and I will look.  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-30-2006 09:50 AM                        Perhaps you should ask yourself why they used 70mm at all, ever. Do you think there was a reason, or what? Why not just use 8mm? It certainly would have cost less. In fact, why use any larger format in any kind of photography?  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 01-30-2006 10:52 AM                     The Pittsford Plaza analogy is really pretty stupid. At best it is half-baked. The use or lack of use of 70mm prints has no bearing on that theater closing. And it doesn't have a damned thing to do with home values from one market to the next either. Truth be told, most people living in homes worth more than $250,000 don't even go to movie theaters at all. Nearly all the rich people I know don't. Here's exactly why that theater was shut down, just like any other big single screener, twin or complex with under 6 screens: not enough screens, not enough showtimes. Doofuses in the film distribution companies want to place prints in the theaters with the most screens. So they pressure the exhibitors to build more theaters with higher numbers of screens, even if the theaters themselves are tiny. I was extremely underwhelmed by visiting the AMC Odyssey 30 at Grapevine Mills. Went there just once when the place was brand new. Saw "Titanic" in 70mm DTS the same day at the giant Northpark #1 screen. Then drove over to that theater in Grapevine to watch "Amistad" in 35mm SDDS. I swear that room probably didn't have anymore than 40 seats. But that's what they do to pack 30 screens into a mall location. Staggering difference. Most of the big single screen theaters in Manhattan have been shuttered due to this trend. The 1500 seat Loews Astor Plaza theater closed exactly for that reason. Gotta have more screens, just divide them up into little tiny closets. With that kind of room, why even bother watching a movie there? The screen is small, the room is small and it doesn't seem to be on a scale much larger than an average living room. The bean counters want more shows per day. But they don't give two shits about the environment in which those shows are presented. They think all showings are equal. And why would they think any different? They play golf in their free time, not watch movies. On the bright side, there are some circuits trying to put at least 1 or more really big screening rooms into some of those megaplex builds. That bright side would be more appropriately bright if they had 70mm projection capability. In the end, NO ONE should give a hoot how many screens are in a movie theater complex. You can only watch one movie at a time. The real thing that matters is having the best quality screens with the best quality presentation. People in the movie business who don't believe that should do the rest of us a favor and find a different job.  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 01-30-2006 11:09 AM                 Stupid, yes we are both dumb guys. You, the dumb guy running the projector. Me, the dumb guy for getting into film image technology in the first place. So yes, we are both dumb guys. Although, the dumb guy upstairs running the projector kinda rings a bell with many people. No one gives a shit about a dumb guy fooling around with film image technology. [ 01-30-2006, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Larry Myers ]  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 01-30-2006 11:31 AM                        This thread is still open? In the peak period for 70mm blowups (mid-80s), one might have thought that the Edwards Big Newport was a 70mm-only theater because they often played many consecutive 70mm engagements. 35mm was relatively rare on that screen at the time. But 35mm did happen.  |  IP: Logged

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