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Mike Schindler
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Isn't he the head of Disney Animation now?

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Hillary Charles
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Well hopefully someday in the near future, you'll be able to go to the mall and buy a pair Oakleys with circular polarization to take with you to the multiplex where you can sit and watch the newest stereoscopic masterpiece in both comfort and style!
How about these glasses? My husband and I have the linear polarized version and they're comfortable (although don't come with prescriptions...yet). [Cool]

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Lasseter is now chief creative officer for both Pixar AND Disney animation studios.

From the Wikipedia:

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In April 2006, Disney purchased Pixar and Lasseter was named Chief Creative Officer of both Pixar and Disney animation studios. He was also named Principal Creative Advisor at Walt Disney Imagineering, where he will help design attractions for Disney's theme parks. He will report directly to Disney chief Bob Iger, bypassing Disney's studio and theme parks executives. He also received green-light power on films.

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Edwin Graf Diemer
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Thanks for the "Robinsons" lists! This could be interesting-looking at the listings for New Jersey, installations are planned for both the National Amusmements Hazlet Multiplex and the Clearview Middlebrook Cinema. Both theaters are on Route 35, so patrons between the two would only have a 20-minute north/south drive for their choice. AMC/Lowes Monmouth Mall 15 (also Route 35) is sandwiched between the two, so I would not be surprised if they put in an installation soon, big grossing theater that it is.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Is it still true that Real-D is primarily for medium to small rooms? I recall that it was not put into the larger rooms of a multiplex, and that they ran dual-system at the El Capitan.

At the local RAVE, it is one of the smaller rooms.

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Bobby Henderson
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It might have something to do with the fact lots of under-powered film projectors are getting installed in auditoriums with very large screens. Silver screens are not as bright as regular high gain screens. The end result might be a really unacceptably dim 3D image.

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Gordon McLeod
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Bobby siad "Silver screens are not as bright as regular high gain screens"
That is not true
silver screens are the highest gain screen made
As such are very directional and need to be curved properly to get an even distribution of light across the seating area

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Bobby Henderson
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Well, yeah, I think that's really the problem. The auditoriums are just not designed for screens with a more obvious curve to them in the first place. Put a silver screen into that situation and the lamp brightness has to be increased. Even that's not a perfect solution. The properly curved screen is.

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Gordon McLeod
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For a person sitting on the centre line the picture will be brighter than a regular gain screen even if it is not curved but there will be a hotspot
remmeber that 3d by nature allows for in the range of 1/4-1/3 of the original light due to the loss in the polarizers

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John Pytlak
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A very high gain screen acts much like a mirror. Ideally, the optimum curve and tilt should be determined by ray tracing to reflect the light back to the prime seating area. This will minimize hot spotting and get optimum illumination uniformity.

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David Stambaugh
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quote: Gordon McLeod
very directional and need to be curved properly
Someone at Cinemark didn't get that memo before they installed their silver screen here for 3D. It's flat and it hotspots.

The new Regal here has curved screens. Maybe their silver screen will be better.

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Dustin Mitchell
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When I read David's previous comments about the hotspotting of the silver screens I was pretty concerned ours would turn out the same way. I must say the installers must have known what they were doing though because we have two of them-one curved and one flat-and neither has hotspotting issues or any noticable light issues.

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Filmmaker James Cameron's take on 3-D courtesy of BusinessWeekOnline.

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Online Extra: James Cameron on the Cutting Edge
The director of Terminator and Titanic explains how movies will be transformed by motion-tracking and 3D technology


Three-time Academy Award-winning director James Cameron is a pioneer in the field of motion capture. In the mid-'90s he used the nascent technology to create the massive crowd scenes and stunts in his blockbuster Titanic. These days he's still at the cutting edge of the technology, but he prefers to call motion capture "performance capture" because, as he points out, "actors don't do motion, they do emotion."

Cameron is in the midst of his latest film project, Avatar, which is his most technologically innovative film to date. The futuristic movie about an ex-Marine will be released in 2009 simultaneously with a massive, multiplayer, video game based on the film.

BusinessWeek couldn't catch up to Cameron for a sit-down interview, since he's busy creating Avatar, but reporter Aili McConnon was able to engage the director, via e-mail, in a discussion of how motion-capture technology has spurred innovation in cinema and made filmmaking more cost-effective. The following are excerpts from their virtual conversation:

What has motion capture meant to the film industry and to your work?

Performance capture (Perfcap) in recent years has enabled such stunning [computer generated] characters as Gollum (in Lord of the Rings parts 2 and 3), "King Kong," and Davy Jones (in Pirates of the Caribbean) to be brought to life. The technology is critical to the realization of my dream project, Avatar.

In fact, Avatar wasn't possible when it was first written 11 years ago, and only through pushing the technology to new levels over the past year and a half have we reached the point where the film is finally possible to make.

What innovations have you developed for Avatar?

We have greatly enhanced the size of the performance-capture stage, which we call The Volume, to six times the size previously used. And we have incorporated a real-time virtual camera, which allows me to direct [computer-generated] scenes as I would live-action scenes. I can see my actors performing as their characters, in real-time, and I can move my camera to adjust to their performances.

In addition, we have pioneered facial performance capture, in conjunction with our visual effects partner, Weta Digital. This technique eliminates hours in the makeup chair, and various other discomforts, for the actors. Previously, actors needed to have hundreds of tiny spherical markers glued to their faces, and they couldn't touch their own faces throughout the shooting day as a result. With the new system, a lightweight head-rig can be donned minutes before shooting.

We have had great success, and other filmmakers such as Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson have worked on our virtual stage doing tests for their upcoming films, and given high praise to the system.

Does the rig cover the whole head, including your face? Does it capture fine facial movements?

The rig is a small skull cap, made from a cast of the actor's head, so that it fits comfortably while being tight enough to avoid shifting. It acts as a base for a strut which resembles a concert microphone (visualize Madonna in concert), except instead of a mike in front of the face, it has a tiny camera. The key to it is the software, which interprets the movement of the actor's face, pupils, and eyelid responses as the image flows in from the video feed of the head-rig camera.

In what directions do you see the technology going in the short term?

Improvements to the software and higher computation speeds and storage densities will enable us to have more realistic environments and more refined facial emotions and hand movements. Hand movement, for example, is still at a crude state.

On Avatar, we're working on-stage at a reality level equal to an '80s video game. At the end of the day, after a year and a half of post production, the images seen by audiences will be 100% photo-real, i.e. indistinguishable from photography. But for our day-to-day shooting, the image can be improved a lot.

Another area which needs improvement is the lighting. We need to improve its ability to handle cinematic lighting, the casting of shadows and so on. All of this can be improved as Moore's Law raises the speed of processing and as upgrades to the software become available.

In addition, we're developing ways for [computer-generated] characters to interact with actors who are being photographed on real, live-action set. We will have real-time stereo (three-dimensional stereoscopic, or 3D) composites of characters, which will be viewed by me in the eyepiece of the camera while I'm shooting a live-action scene. This will be revolutionary. We're not quite there yet, but we hope to have that by August, in time for our live-action shoot in Wellington, New Zealand.

Long term, what do you expect?

I expect that more filmmakers will embrace the technique and apply it to different types of scenarios. For the creation of fantasy and science-fiction characters, Perfcap will largely replace makeup and prosthetics.

Actors need not feel threatened by this change in technology. It doesn't replace acting, in fact it's designed to empower the acting and directing process, as opposed to the traditional [computer-generated] animation process, which uses only the actor's voice, and in which a committee of animators perform the character, operate the camera, and do the lighting.

I believe it will make fantasy filmmaking much more user-friendly for filmmakers, actors, and studios, and ultimately bring down costs. It's just now possible to create photo-real human [computer-generated] characters, but it isn't cost effective.

Many other fields, from medicine to automotive design, now use similar motion-capture systems (though on a smaller scale). Do you ever run across or dream up non-entertainment applications yourself?

I'm bore-sighted on the cinematic process. While one can generally imagine all the industrial and science applications, I'm not interested in developing them. However I can visualize a number of uses for the technique in advanced forms of entertainment, at theme parks and so on.

What role will 3D play in the future of film?

Here's what can happen, although it's too early to say if it will: 3D can become ubiquitous as digital cinema replaces film. As digital cinema rolls out, stereo follows—and in some cases leads the charge, as we have seen recently with the digital 3D releases of Chicken Little and Monster House forcing the installation of hundreds of new digital projectors.

There will eventually be major titles available from all studios at some screens in almost all multiplex cinemas worldwide. I would say the horizon for this is five years. 3D can become a fully accepted way in which audiences view movies. It will become another consumer choice, like premium or regular gas. The premium experience of 3D will be the preferred viewing experience for action, animated, fantasy, and science-fiction films.

3D's broad acceptance at theaters will generate enough content that consumer-electronics manufacturers will make home players and monitors available. The technology exists now, but is not readily available as off-the-shelf products. 3D display will become a must for video and computer games.

In 20 years, stereo media may become the preferred method for displaying all information, including news and other broadcast media. The density of information one can place on a small screen becomes much higher if it's stacked in three dimensions.

Is there something beyond 3D in film? Could we ever see in cinema the same kind of physical participation we're starting to see in video-game consoles like Nintendo's Wii?

Imagine a movie in which the viewer is swept along by a narrative, following the action from place to place, but without the intervention of a camera. You can choose which character to watch in a scene, as if you're an invisible witness standing there while a real event plays out. This is still years away, at a level of realism people would consider cinematic, but certainly not decades away.

I can imagine the dense fantasy worlds I like to create for movies having an equal or greater life in a world of interactive play, authored by others, in a partnership. Of course, add massive multiplayer capability to this, and people will never leave their homes.



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Of course, add massive multiplayer capability to this, and people will never leave their homes.

Yup -- just what exhibitors want to hear....nearly as horrifying as those three words that strike terror in any exhibitor's heart -- Day-And-Date!

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3D's broad acceptance at theaters will generate enough content that consumer-electronics manufacturers will make home players and monitors available. The technology exists now, but is not readily available as off-the-shelf products. 3D display will become a must for video and computer games.
Actually, he hasn't been to the computer stores lately -- it is available as off-the-shelf products, has been for at least a decade. And as soon as the studios realize they have a whole home video market just waiting to pay big bucks to see those blockbuster 3D titles up on their home theatre screens, Toshiba and Aiki and the rest of the hardware guys won't be able make those LCD shutter glasses fast enough.

And once again, the reason those chain execs decided to jump onto the digital "roll-out" was because of the promise that 3D will be their savior -- they were lead to believe that 3D titles will be the exclusive perview of cinemas and simply unavailable for home video -- at least that was the carrot the studios were holding out to exhibitors. Finallysomething that will keep that dreaded theatrical vs. home video window at bay -- in fact, permanently nailed opened.

Digital projection was an expensive install, yes, but it was the only path to 3D and 3D was to be exhibition's manna from heaven -- the savior's come wearing polaroid glasses.

Man, when that 3D release of MEET THE ROBINSONS comes out in alternating frame 3D on HD and BlueRay DVD, and when Disney/Pixar realize they can open up a whole new home video market for all their already made 3D cartoons....oh, excuse me, their animated features -- nothing like selling another tens of millions of 3D DVD copies of everything from TOY STORY to CHICKEN LITTLE all over again to the same people who bought the 2D versions -- there will be no stopping THAT roll-out.

And while everyone at The Rat is salivating at the prospect of making money yet again on the same product (for a limited time before it goes back into the "vault"), won't that just be a kick in the nuts for Regal and Cinemark and the rest of them who thought they had bought into the digital promised land with their spiffy new, albeit soon-to-be-obsolete, 2K projectors.

Hmmmm, bet they didn't see 3D home video on the horizon....nor the 4K roll-out soon to arrive for their competitors to buy into.

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