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Steve Guttag
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posted 04-02-2007 02:00 PM

See now...that is what happens when you slap your head too much...you get a "no brainer." [Big Grin]

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Frank Angel
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posted 04-04-2007 12:40 PM

And if a mouse had a brain, it would have released this title in Stereovision on single strip film and let any of the other 3000 theatres that wanted to run it in 3D have a go at it. Putting in a silver screen and buying a Stereovision convergence lens and even installing a larger lamphouse where necessary would be a lot less expensive than buying a $120,000 digital system and having to put in a silver screen anyway.

But I guess Disney is not interested in promoting or encouraging film bookings. OK, they'll make prints if they have to, after all, they can't very well line their pockets with $$$ based on the take from a paultry 600 screens, now can they? But no question, they obviously want to use this 3D engagement as a little arm-twisting to encourage exhibition to bite the bullit and get with the agenda, damn it -- ALL digital projection by the year 1999! Ooop, by 2002?....er, definately by 2005, no?....surely by 2007?....well, anyway, right after the big "roll out."

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 04-04-2007 05:57 PM

And if George Lucas really cared about the beautiful colors looking their best in his movies, he would have struck the prints on Vision Premier stock instead of plain old Vision stock. But of course, he did not. I guess he didn't want the film to look too much better than the digital. I'm kind of surprised he didn't release the film versions of SW on black and white film stock with a variable density mono track.

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Matt Fields
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posted 04-04-2007 08:24 PM

The theatres that have the 3D would have been higher grossing theatres with any version...only the big city/high grossing theatres can afford Real D.

I have had one person ask me if we have the movie in 3D.

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Dustin Mitchell
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posted 04-04-2007 11:32 PM

About 130 of the locations listed in Micheal's list are Carmikes. Carmike is mostly located in smaller/mid sized markets. Places like Bobby's Lawton, OK and my Eau Claire, WI aren't exactly major markets but both are playing Robinsons in 3-D.

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Matt Fields
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posted 04-05-2007 08:00 AM

Yes, but a quick look at Micheal's list shows many theatres 12 screens and up (look at Florida), including many of the Carmikes (North Carolina). These large theatres generally have the largest grosses, reguardless of format.

In the area I am most familiar with (Columbus and Cincinnati, OH) the 3D engagements had the largest grosses in the area. But they would have anyway, because only the highest grossing theatres had it in 3D.

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Dustin Mitchell
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posted 04-05-2007 02:53 PM

Actually a perfect illustration would be my theatre and the near competition. Anyone with access to Rentrack should look up Carmike Cinemas Oakwood 12 in Eau Claire, WI and Micon Cinemas Stadium 8 in Chippewa Falls, WI. Chippewa is smaller than Eau Claire but Micon is located such that it can draw from both cities. They typically do just as well as the Eau Claire theatre on kids films. Micon has one film print and we have 2 digital 3D prints.

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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 04-05-2007 11:00 PM

How does "Real D" digitial presentations work anywho (since I've seen the two machine version)

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Jarryd Beard
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posted 04-06-2007 10:36 AM

Check out this thread.. Also, there is a fairly interesting Disney Digital 3-D Wikipedia article.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 04-06-2007 12:10 PM

The wikipedia article is grossly inaccurate.

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...eliminates "3-D headache" present in other 3-D systems, especially those relying on film projection.

The polarization technique (whether it's linear or circular) has nothing to do with whether the presentation is film based or digital based. I agree that circular polarization is a better method than linear polarization. But that's not the film's fault.

The list of advantages of having a single projector are interesting too.

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It produces full-range color unlike red/cyan 3-D that relies on cardboard glasses with red and cyan color filters.

That's true, but it's because it's polarized, NOT because it's a single projector.

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It eliminates most "ghost images" caused by the left eye seeing a bit of the right-eye frames and vice versa.

I don't think that has anything to do with there only being one projector. I think two projectors would be just fine on that front.

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It eliminates any form of temporal (time) or spatial misalignment of the left-eye and right-eye frames that plagued previous 3-D projection systems relying on movie film.

What?! Properly presented dual strip 35mm (and 70mm and IMAX for that matter) presentations have both frames on the screen at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, which is something that the single projector digital system DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DO, which indeed CAUSES the very problem this article is talking about, and which I have documented in the thread that Jarryd linked to. [Mad]

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Joseph L. Kleiman
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posted 04-06-2007 12:55 PM

You're absolutely correct!

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It produces full-range color unlike red/cyan 3-D that relies on cardboard glasses with red and cyan color filters.

Both Spy Kids 3 and Sharkboy and Lava Girl were shown in anaglyph 3D on a single digital projector.

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It eliminates most "ghost images" caused by the left eye seeing a bit of the right-eye frames and vice versa.

Not true. I've seen severe ghosting on both REAL D and active 3D glasses from a single digital projector. The REAL D difference is that the circular polarizer allows for the 3D image to remain steady when the head is tilted.

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Jarryd Beard
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posted 04-06-2007 10:40 PM

Anyone is able to edit the Wikipedia pages. Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea for you guys to contribute your knowledge to the Disney Digital 3-D page.

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Sam King
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posted 04-07-2007 12:38 AM

Ghosting on RealD is typically caused by a Z Screen that is angled. We tilted it so that it was verticle, and no more ghosting.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 04-07-2007 12:42 AM

the Z-screen has a level bubble on it just make sure it is level and everything should be fine.

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Sam King
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posted 04-07-2007 02:42 AM

i don't mean on that axis. If that axis is the X axis, I am referring to the Z axis. Make sense?

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