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Author Topic: Any experience with Qube Cinema equipment? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-29-2009 07:40 AM                     Geena, Projectors are sized according to the size of the screen they are going onto. So these Barcos must be going onto relatively smallish screens. I agree however, they could have picked a better projector(brand). Good luck with them! Mark  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 07-29-2009 05:58 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen Geena, Projectors are sized according to the size of the screen they are going onto. So these Barcos must be going onto relatively smallish screens. I agree however, they could have picked a better projector(brand). Good luck with them! Mark Interesting statement! Can you give some insight as to why the Barco 1200 is inferior to other brands of the same line such as the Christie M? How many Barco 1200's have you installed and been disappointed with?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-29-2009 10:48 PM                     Well, certainly the Christie M is a far better choice, has a better optical system, and it'll light up a 20 foot wide matte white screen to 21 fl with an XBO1600HS regular ole cinema lamp. Show me a BARCO or NEC that'll do that. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 07-30-2009 07:49 PM                     Well Christie film projectors were also renowned for being pretty bright but you won't see me running out to buy them DP1200 will do up to 40ft screens at 14fl w/ 2k lamp so there is a fair bit of headroom. Not sure what it would do on a 20 foot screen with 1.6k lamp so I can't really comment. It's also worth noting that the newer line of Barco projectors have a very modular design and pretty much every major component can be swapped out in under 20 minutes. Most items can be done by a reasonably cluey projectionist with a little bit of training. Will be interested to hear your feedback after its installed. Good luck!  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-30-2009 11:18 PM                        The switcher isn't necessary with the Barco unless you're using multiple devices with it. All you need is a DVI-D output and voila.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 07-31-2009 05:04 AM                        We had a NEC 1600 with Qube installed last week and I must say at this stage I am quite disappointed with it all. I was looking forward to this upgrade in particular 3D , so far we have lost 6 shows and have now had to put everything on hold for now as it simply wont work.Back to good ole film. On the opening night the feature kept freezing , the techs looked at it and we managed to get a show up but it wont stay in 3D it keeps switching back to 2D and the picture is flashing color/black and white and the picture wobbles all over the screen. I am now starting to loose faith in the reliability of this system.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 07-31-2009 07:47 AM                    What 3D system do you have, Phil? Is it Real-D (traditional), Real-D XL, or any other? It sounds like perhaps there is a fault with the formatting boards in the projector. Does it work fine in 2D modes?  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-31-2009 11:00 AM                     This is what happens. You should have gone with Barco unlike what Mark says!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-31-2009 03:54 PM                     quote: This is what happens. You should have gone with Barco unlike what Mark says! Doesn't matter which one you go weith if it isn't set up properly!!  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-31-2009 05:50 PM                     Mike, All of the DCinema projectors (even the Sony) sport two DVI-D inputs as well as a pair of HDSDI inputs. You will find the DVI ports have a relatively limited resolution set as compared to the ACS-2048. Also, if any image manipulation is required, the DCinema projector is not going to help unless the scan rate is 48Hz or less (in order to use "Cinema Processing"). 1024 x 768 8, 10 23 - 85 Hz Non-cinema 1280 x 1024 8, 10 23 - 85 Hz Non-cinema 1400 x 1050 8, 10 23 - 60 Hz Non-cinema 1920 x 1080 8, 10 23 - 48 Hz DLP-cinema 1920 x 1080 8, 10 23 - 62 Hz Non-cinema 2048 x 1080 8, 10 23 - 48 Hz DLP-cinema 2048 x 1080 8, 10 23 - 58 Hz Non-cinema 1920 x 1080 10 23 - 48 Hz DLP Cinema 1920 x 1080 10 23 - 77 Hz Non-cinema 2048 x 1080 10 23 - 48 Hz DLP Cinema 2048 x 1080 10 23 - 72 Hz Non-cinema Is the typical line up on the DCinema's DVI ports. Compared to the ACS 2048 (or the CineIPM 2K) which understands most DVI resolutions and more can be added as they come out. The ACS 2048 can also broadcast the EDID of your desired resolution too. Furthermore, the list price on the ACS 2048 is only $4,995...which in the scaler world is a very high bang-for-the-buck unit and the only scaler I know that is HDCP compliant (it re-encodes HDCP). With 64 presets ...any assigned to any input, one can have all of their typical setups at the ready. Now if all one wants to do is hook up a BluRay (and not worry about scaling Scope up to 2048x858 or 1.85 up to 1998x1080) or is satisfied with the available DVI rates for computers...then yes, no outboard switcher/scaler is needed. Note too, the ACS 2048 does a nifty fade between two inputs (I wish it had two HD/SDI inputs!). Steve  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 08-01-2009 01:47 AM                        quote: Julio Roberto What 3D system do you have, Phil? Is it Real-D (traditional), Real-D XL, or any other? running real D XL and with the XL box not infront of lens the picture is still flashing on and off screen and changing from color to b&W  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 08-01-2009 03:14 AM                     I agree with Mark to a certain extent. You have to anticipate a few installation bugs here and there. The integrator should have sufficient access to spare equipment to swap out the faulty component so the show can go on. (or start to begin with!) Having to pull the pin entirely is unbelievable. If money hasn't changed hands I know what I would be doing... For what its worth I'm sure the equipment problems can be sorted easily enough. I'd be more concerned when it gets to the stage when this system is the cornerstone of your business and your cinema technicians just 'pull the plug' cause they can't fix it. Not good enough. If my clients had this problem I would be living, eating and sleeping in the projection room trying to fix the problem with spit, sticks and glue till I got my customer back on the screen. Just walking away is NOT an option. Who exactly is behind this disaster?  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-01-2009 06:14 AM                     I've heard that in Australia Kodak people who used to install printers were put in installing Barco D-Cinema solutions! If this is the case in your installation the really God help you! Demetris  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-01-2009 09:41 AM                     Demetrus, I disagree as these are computer people, not your typical Xerox repair man... after receiving Barco's training they are probably more qualified to install a booth full of D-Cinema gear than most of us here... Have you ever seen some of the high end Kodak printers in action??? They are quite impressive to say the least... Also note that different manufacturers servers require different color correction files and so on. They don't all run off the same correction files. Steve, Christies box will be HDCP compliant later this year and they will also be releasing two more new projectors including a 6000 watt version of the ZX! The TPC software will also become more user friendly... at least for those that think it's already not. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 08-01-2009 09:01 PM                     C'mon Mark, one training course doesn't make you a cinema tech!! Sure, a lot of these new 'd cinema' companies that have emerged can install of projector and server but are pretty clueless when it comes to all the other cinema components such as automation, sound systems, speakers, masking systems etc. Anyway, word around the campfire is that Kodak are going back to servicing xerox machines any day now!! Sure, if Kodak could have dominated the D cinema market then it would be worthwhile for a company of their size. It does seem to appear that they are going to settle for a rather modest size of the pie and the $$ from that probably doesn't justify a company of that size staying in the game supporting these systems for x amount of years. Then again, I could be talking ! I have no reliable source as to what they are doing!  |  IP: Logged

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